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Some people really should know better (1 Viewer)

Jane Turner

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Are you angry?

You know repeated flushing of birds on an SSSI is a conviction that English Nature have managed to get to stick. Get evidence, get him in the database then a repeat incident and he's in trouble... a sort of environmental ASBO
 

McMadd

You should see the other bloke...
However, put "bird photographer" into a free online language translator from English to Finnish, and you get this :

fükkinen vogel flüüsher

As it's still within spitting distance of the panto season..."Oh no you don't"...the, ever-lovely, G**gle Translate (HA!) hurls back

"Bird valokuvaaja"

Ask it for "Birds photographer" and we at least get two Finnish words...

"Lintujen valokuvaaja"

Here endeth the Finnish lesson...B :)


...meantime...

Having grown up birding the CAWOS region as a nipper...gotta say the whole pensinsula struggles to reconcile all the different folks needs as a far as recreation on the seashore goes...extra pressure on the roosting birds by anyone with an apparent interest in wildlife as witnessed by Jane can't be sending out the right message to all the "non-believers" who also wish to use the space...

McM
 

username

Well-known member
Are you angry?

You know repeated flushing of birds on an SSSI is a conviction that English Nature have managed to get to stick. Get evidence, get him in the database then a repeat incident and he's in trouble... a sort of environmental ASBO

Glad you asked that Jane..;) The answer is yes...as it happens...i be WELL angry....;)

ps....we know this farmers vehicle/Landrover...we've just got to take down the reg number and then hand info over to 'authorities'...[of course, trying to get a video of him letting off his explosive devices could be difficult...and without evidence...the bloke will probably deny everything]....

pps..i might have to resort to the use of TSM's....[if you remember what 'they' are from Drunkbirders blog]...;)
 

Jane Turner

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Glad you asked that Jane..;) The answer is yes...as it happens...i be WELL angry....;)

ps....we know this farmers vehicle/Landrover...we've just got to take down the reg number and then hand info over to 'authorities'...[of course, trying to get a video of him letting off his explosive devices could be difficult...and without evidence...the bloke will probably deny everything]....

pps..i might have to resort to the use of TSM's....[if you remember what 'they' are from Drunkbirders blog]...;)

Kipper up his exhaust pipe might a more attainable revenge than a TSM. Is he the landowner of the SSSI?
 

karpman

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The outdoor PA system might be worth trying Jane!....tho i prefer my more extreme methods...;)[i think the 'whistle' invention would be better]...!

ps....as a mild mannered bloke..:eek!:...i would very much like to give 'peace a chance'...[as Tom said]....but on my local patch we are on the verge of all out war against flushers. Now...we even have a local farmer who drives up to the north end of reservoir...[previously mentioned]...and lets off his bird scaring explosive device!!! There's nothing in his fields to scare...he's just doing it to p*** birders....and the birds on this SSSI site...off...!

pps....ask me if i'm angry....;)

Hi mate,

That the dude at eyebrooke with the blue land rover defender:C
First time there I am down the bottom corner he pulls up enters his field and lets of flares and bangers, Sent countless lapwing and golden plover streaming into the air for some time amongst other birds.
Me and the dude exchanged a few unkind words a little later on in the morning , I had lost all politeness by the time i got see him:-O

Dam nit wit behavior if you ask me!

karpster
 

username

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Hi mate,

That the dude at eyebrooke with the blue land rover defender:C
First time there I am down the bottom corner he pulls up enters his field and lets of flares and bangers, Sent countless lapwing and golden plover streaming into the air for some time amongst other birds.
Me and the dude exchanged a few unkind words a little later on in the morning , I had lost all politeness by the time i got see him:-O

Dam nit wit behavior if you ask me!

karpster

Reckon we're talkin about the same bloke Karpman. We've observed him, twice now, setting off his bird-scaring exploding device....[and not even in his field]...but actually on the road next to the reservoir...!
What between this farmer...the flushing dog walkers...the idiots feeding the ducks...picnickers....and English ['our hands are tied by EU law'] Nature...we are really up against it...!
Folk have gone to great diplomatic lengths with EN trying to sort out this messy situation...[re trespassing]...and they, apparently, have come up with token gestures which seem ludicrous....and will do nothing to stop the disturbance going on at this SSSI site....

ps...ask me if i'm angry....;)

pps...[sorry for the rant on this local Leicestershire issue Jane....i have tried giving 'peace a chance'!...trouble is tho...we're dealing with ignorant trespassing halfwits and bureaucratic pen-pushing jobsworths here it seems]....and still 'no sign' of the rare and elusive 'common sense'....!
 

Jane Turner

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Have a read of the Wildlife and Country act with respect to deliberate disturbance of an SSSI - what was Eyebrook designated for?
 

Jane Turner

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http://www.jncc.gov.uk/page-1527

"It is an offence for any person to intentionally or recklessly damage or destroy any of the features of special interest of an SSSI, or to disturb wildlife for which the site was notified.

It is an offence for owners and occupiers to carry out or allow to be carried out, operations listed in the notification without our consent."
 

username

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http://www.jncc.gov.uk/page-1527

"It is an offence for any person to intentionally or recklessly damage or destroy any of the features of special interest of an SSSI, or to disturb wildlife for which the site was notified.

It is an offence for owners and occupiers to carry out or allow to be carried out, operations listed in the notification without our consent."

Hi Jane.....[thank you for your interest in 'our little problem' here in Leicestershire]!

Eye Brook Reservoir is owned by the company known as Corus and water from here is used for industry in Corby....[or used to be].
EBR is a trout fishery and the relationship between reservoir management staff and nature-lovers had always been excellent. Corus, a few years ago, applied for a Stewardship Scheme grant which English Nature 'rubber stamped' i can only assume...[and presumanly without thinking thru the potential negative affects on this designated SSSI site re trespassing/access/etc].
This basically meant that Corus only had to cut the western side of reservoirs hedgerows every two years...[saving money for them obviously]...and to two metres height as per national Defra guidelines. Now although i have not been privvy to 'negotiations' between the interested parties...apparently under the auspices of the Countryside Stewardship Scheme..'we'...have now entered a 'Higher level of Stewardship Scheme'.

Now to try and cut a very long story short....[as i am aware that not all folk will be interested]! The west side of reservoir which 'used' to have beautifully managed hedgerows, allowing all members of the public great viewing, now they look as though they have been given a bad haircut by a blindfolded barber. The hedges are uncared for..out of control...have attracted no new breeding birds into their spindly extra height...and really look a complete shambles...[and all this because of EU law and English Nature's thinking that a taller hedge is a 'better' hedge]! Since allowing the growth of hedgerows the upshot has been that this has encouraged increasing trespassing because folk now cannot be seen from road which borders hedgerow and reservoir.
Half-hearted little trespassing signs have been put up...[nowhere near as many as were said were going to be put up]...some of which now lay on the ground..presumably torn down by whatever passing idiot..!

As you can tell i'm 'a tad' upset over this matter as i have birded at this site since i was a youngster and it pains me to see the reservoir 'going to the dogs'...[and their owners]!

The 'bottom line' from English Nature seems to be 'there's nothing we can do...it's EU law'...

ps...'that' farmer with his disturbance tactics are a side issue which hopefully can be resolved...we've just got to catch him at it and obtain evidence...[it is just one of the many problems that exist at this site...and at times i feel as tho there's a conspiracy going on amongst landowners etc...in trying to destroy the tranquility of the area]....hopefully i am just being paranoid..:smoke:
 
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username

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Out of curiosity, which EU directive prevents English Nature from managing hedgerows? Just curious, because it sounds really weird to me.

I could not tell you Chowchilla as i am not well versed in legal issues/directives etc! All the information i mentioned derives from folk i've talked to who have been involved in direct communications over this issue with English Nature.
In principle, obviously, i am not against 'taller' hedges for the benefit of wildlife...but in this particular case...the 'taller' hedgerows have had an extremely detrimental effect on the SSSI site it borders...and is totally 'counter-productive' to conservation.
Apparently...once a Stewardship Scheme has been granted allowing the 'extra hedge height growth'....[2 metres/Defra guidelines]..there seems to be no way back from that position....even after 'we', concerned local naturalists, have provided much photographic evidence as to the negative impact on this, once wonderful, site. It is all very VERY frustrating....!!
I long for the day when common sense prevails and overturns 'laws', that in principle are all well and good, but in practice...at certain 'sites'...have a very negative impact....

It is all quite bizarre....
 

DaveJones

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http://www.jncc.gov.uk/page-1527

"It is an offence for any person to intentionally or recklessly damage or destroy any of the features of special interest of an SSSI, or to disturb wildlife for which the site was notified.

It is an offence for owners and occupiers to carry out or allow to be carried out, operations listed in the notification without our consent."


Ive been involved in mitigation over Animal welfare issues, and i would imagine there is not much difference with a SSSI. We found that land owners and developers would be willing to incur a fine, as long as they got the result they wanted. Usually removal of the things that they see as hindering their wider plans.

I think the fine was £2000 which is peanuts.

They dont really care about bad PR as they get it anyway, and they see conservationists as little more than a curiosity.

I and a colleague got burned badly on one well known develpment, which has left a huge scar, having witnessed the corruption that goes on and the depthes that these people went to get us off the case.

Im no longer involved in that line of work because of it, and i am loathe to say this, but never ever trust anyone, and that includes the Wildlife trusts, RSPB.

Maybe there are still some sincere people out there, but i never got to meet any of them, and please respect me by not asking for more details.

In fact, its proberly best to put me down as a bitter old man:C
 

Sy V

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Can't think of a pithy acronym. However, put "bird photographer" into a free online language translator from English to Finnish, and you get this :

fükkinen vogel flüüsher

...and if you put it into an online anagram generator you get:

Dopier Graph Throb
Brighter Hard Poop
Horrid Bag Prophet
High Probed Raptor

... and I am one!
 

Jacana

Will Jones
Hungary
i've just been on the NE website.

Eye Brook was designated a SSSI because its is One of the more important wintering wildfowl sites in the East Midlands

A major wetland area which combines an extensive sheet of open water with a complex of wetland
and lakeside habitats including mudflats, marsh, pasture, broad-leaved woodland, and broad-leaved,
mixed and coniferous plantations. In autumn and winter the site attracts large numbers of ducks most
notably Wigeon, Mallard, Teal and Pochard, while in spring and autumn flocks of a wide variety of
wading birds on passage use the area for feeding. Additionally, the woodlands and plantations
provide a winter-feeding habitat for a variety of birds, while the mix of terrestrial habitats support a
diverse breeding bird community.
 

username

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i've just been on the NE website.

Eye Brook was designated a SSSI because its is One of the more important wintering wildfowl sites in the East Midlands

A major wetland area which combines an extensive sheet of open water with a complex of wetland
and lakeside habitats including mudflats, marsh, pasture, broad-leaved woodland, and broad-leaved,
mixed and coniferous plantations. In autumn and winter the site attracts large numbers of ducks most
notably Wigeon, Mallard, Teal and Pochard, while in spring and autumn flocks of a wide variety of
wading birds on passage use the area for feeding. Additionally, the woodlands and plantations
provide a winter-feeding habitat for a variety of birds, while the mix of terrestrial habitats support a
diverse breeding bird community.

Thanks for posting this info up...and apologies to Jane for the 'hi-jacking' of thread;)...[i will not post anymore 'rantings' here if you wish]...

Just one more thing we have to put up with here at Eye Brook...'shoots' take place in adjacent fields after they've released hordes of blind red legged partridges which then scurry up the road by 'the' hedgerow next to reservoir. These poor bugers often try to 'land' on the water and obviously drown....[first time i saw a red leg out on res i thought it was some sort of mutant 'auk']!!
The 'hooray-henry' type shooters leave all the corpses of partridges scattered everywhere which i object to because they should at least have the decency to take home and eat what they kill. [suppose the crows etc...don't mind the bonus's tho]...

ps...i don't want to get into the 'shooting' subject really as i do know responsible 'wildlife concerned' shooters/fishermen...and i have no real problem with them...just the 'idiots'....:smoke: [same with dog-walkers/farmers]...they ain't all bad....lest we forget!
 

Jane Turner

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I think the problem of people (and especially birders/photographers) disturbing birds at SSI, SPAs, RAMSAR sites etc is well worthy of the discussion, as well as how to stop it. So Hijack away. Plus it puts the original perpetrators back onto the front page ;) and gets their faces seen by more and more potential "identifiers". I still have some relatively high-powered (award-winning) photographers in the frame - just not the confirmation from the my Skylark protecting frame who is out of circulation for a bit.

Flushing the Ducks (on which Eyebrook was designated) on purpose is clearly a criminal offence.
 
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username

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I think the problem of people (and especially birders/photographers) disturbing birds at SSI, SPAs, RAMSAR sites etc is well worthy of the discussion, as well as how to stop it. So Hijack away. Plus it puts the original perpetrators back onto the front page ;) and gets their faces seen by more and more potential "identifiers". I still have some relatively high-powered (award-winning) photographers in the frame - just not the confirmation from the my Skylark protecting frame who is out of circulation for a bit.

Flushing the Ducks (on which Eyebrook was designated) on purpose is clearly a criminal offence.

Thanks for letting me highlight the problems we have on our local patch Jane...appreciated!

The 'bonkers' thing about the flushers within the grounds of Eye Brook Res is that this problem has increased a hundred fold since English Natures intervention...[re the hedges which actively encourages trespass]...
I'm sure EN had the best intentions....[well...i'm sort of sure]! I would not wish to dam all of their decisions obviously...but in this case...they really have cocked up big time....[so much so that some birders now no longer come to this site...so bitter is the resentment]. These birders have tried with diplomatic approaches to EN....and all they got was.." we can't do anything...it's EU law re hedge height...here...have this token gesture and s** off".....

ps.....no need to ask if i'm angry....;)
 

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