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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lisa W" data-source="post: 1717956" data-attributes="member: 39270">I am a birder and a photographer, I've found that most of us who wear the two hats are a considerate lot. We don't do much watching from hides in my part of the states. However, if I come across a group of birders watching something of interest, I make sure to position myself behind them, and ask if they mind if I take photos. If they come across me, and ask what I am shooting, I point it out, and will move my position to give them a better one. I think most of the birder/photographers I have seen here in the states are the same. These seem like a--es, as we say in the states, and are definitely not concerned with the birds, other birders perceptions, or photographers perceptions. A few bad pennies give us all bad names. This group needs to be found and dealt with.</blockquote>