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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steven Astley" data-source="post: 1733373" data-attributes="member: 15646">The problem with this country is we are too overcrowded. When I last visited Red Rocks, West Kirbys beach was v busy and on Jane's beach they had those carts powered by kite type things.Fortunately there isn't that many birders on hoylake compared to the rest of the general public, so the damage they can do is limited.Personally I think there should be stricter rules, I think, for example that dogs should be kept on leads around such an important area for wildlife. If owners want them off there leads this should be done in less important areas like the nearby golf course :-OMy previous comment on seeing nothing wrong in some of the photos alone, ie not with Janes commentary, were made because on public beaches I will often approach waders (that are constantly being disturbed by other people anyway), to get a better view but I will avoid approaching large roosts, entering quiet beaches, high tide roosts and if I do disturb the odd bird I will leave it alone from then on. I agree totally that what the birders in this incident did were clearly wrongOther pet hates with regard disturbing birds that I have experienced areExcessive use of tape luresBirders needing to see a bird to tick it, which encourages disturbance. Also many birds are far better just heard than just seen.Some more disturbance been spoken about here (scroll down to January news)<a href="http://www.deeestuary.co.uk/news0209.htm#rarity" target="_blank">http://www.deeestuary.co.uk/news0209.htm#rarity</a>Random ramble over, enjoy your birds but don't disturb them. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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