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Some thoughts on Leica's Trinovid HD 8x32 and dreaming a little... (1 Viewer)

sope0018

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For a few years now, I've been intrigued by Leica's Trinovid HD series. In particular, Optica Exotica (no longer on youtube sadly) had a few great video reviews and comparisons of the Trinovid HD 8x42 that got me excited about this model. There are some great reviews on the 8x32 here on the forum by A2GG, Troubador (R.I.P.!), Ronh, and others that are also very helpful. Neil English also has a great review on his website. The only reason I hadn't tried them until now was their minimum IPD setting of 58mm, which for me works when viewing distant objects but really I need 56-57mm minimum IPD to get the brightest and most comfortable image at closer ranges. I've had reports of some people's Trinovid HD samples closing to 57 or 57.5mm so I thought I'd take a chance despite my reservations. Because I already own the Leica Ultravid HD+ 7x42 and the Ultravid BR 8x20 I thought I'd try the a format right between them, the Trinovid HD 8x32.

Things I like:

* Ergonomically fantastic for me. It instantly felt better in-hand than any other binocular I've held, including the NL Pure 10x42 and the 7x42 UVHD+. Those feel great too but the Trinnie is the perfect size for my hands, the weight is well balanced, the rubber armor feels good in hand, focuser is in the right spot, everything feels robust.

* The focuser is really incredible. It is so velvety smooth and precise and quite sensitive. It took a bit of getting used to compared to a typical UV focuser (zero play, stiffer, also very precise). When combined with the overall shape, size, and weight of the bino, the focuser is one I can hold and focus with one hand very easily and steadily.

* The image is standard Leica. Sharp in the center, a bit of fall-off toward the edges, great colors.

* I don't mind the narrower overall true field of view which is narrower than most 8x32 models, it's plenty usable.

* Glare resistance is really good in this model. In fact, it's better than the UVHD 7x42 in some situations. The 8x20 UV BR suffers in bright overhead light and I was hoping an 8x32 would be better and it is.

* Diopter setting is simple and functions well, it moves fluidly and evenly in both directions without play but stays reassuringly in place. I enjoy it more than I thought I would actually.

* Build quality is outstanding and standard Leica. Fit and finish isn't quite as precise and refined as an Ultravid, but it's pretty darn close and better than anything else I've tried in the sub-$2000 price range.

* The objective and eye piece covers and bino strap are well-executed and perfectly functional. The case is fine for folks that don't use a strap but the fit is tight, the material not as hard-wearing, and a more traditional and robust case would be better.

* The price. You're getting an awful lot for the $850 I paid for it brand-new.

Things I don't like as much:

* Ease of view is more fiddly than I'd like but this is probably mostly a personal issue. I have deep eye sockets and I find I have to lightly touch the eyecups to my brow to get the right eye relief. It would be nice to be able to more comfortably settle them deeper in my eye sockets for stability. Wearing sun glasses this bino works well though - one click out from fully down works great for me. If the eye cups were a bit longer so they more closely matched the eye relief at full extension this would be better for me.

* Another personal issue but this sample's minimum IPD is right at 58mm rather then the slightly narrower IPD some folks report in their samples. When I close the hinge all the way, the image is bright and there are not shadows present when focusing on objects further away, but even a fraction of a mm wider, 58.5mm or 59mm and the image gets noticeably darker and not as comfortable. When focusing on closer objects, the image starts to get uncomfortable and I want to close the hinge down to 56 or 57mm. So, if the hinge closed down to 55 or 56mm like the UVs or even 54mm like the the Zeiss Conquest HD models, that would be perfect for me. This would be especially useful for taking full advantage of this model's close focus capability. I'm not sure what design limitation Leica had here that warranted a less-accommodating minimum IPD spec compared to other manufacturers. Actually, maybe it was a choice to accomodate folks at the other end of the IPD spectrum with particularly wide IPD settings, which is understandable.

* I wish the hinge was a bit stiffer. It's not loose, per se, and is mechanically sound and doesn't move on its own but it's not as confidence-inspiring as the Ultravid (either the 7x42 or double-hinged 8x20), which have stiffer hinges and feel very locked-in when using them.

* CA is more easily provoked in this model than in either of the Ultravids, which is expected given the lower price point. I think this may be more to do with my face structure again, as when I float the eye cups further out from my face to get that perfect eye relief, CA isn't noticeable center-field. Because of the fiddly nature of positioning them for my facial structure, I find I encounter it more than in other models.

* More noticeable vignetting of the image than in either Ultravid model.

* I notice the edge fall-off/smaller sweet spot on these Trinovids which give it an overall less immersive impression than the UV 7x42 or even the 8x20, each have a larger sweet spot and better-corrected outer fields where edge fall off isn't noticeable to me in field use.

In Summary:

* For my tastes, the ergonomics and focuser are the best I've encountered in any binocular at any price. To hold and use them is a joy. They feel better in hand than either of my Ultravids. Leica is really onto something with the focus mechanism here - and I think they know it because the Noctivid has a buttery smooth focuser as well.

* The minimum IPD setting means they just barely don't work for me at closer ranges, which is a bummer.

* Overall image quality lags behind the Ultravids but everything I listed is very subtle and if a user were using this binocular as a tool and not focusing on the minutiae of its optical performance compared to models costing over twice as much, they would just enjoy the view and wouldn't be missing much.

* If Leica dropped the minimum IPD to 55-56mm, I would buy this model. Icing on the cake would be to make the hinge ever so slightly tighter, and the eye cups ever so slightly longer.

* Building on that and dreaming a little, fingers crossed that a Leica representative reads this, if Leica put Ultravid glass in the tubes and made it a 7x, it would be the only binocular I would ever use. Keep the right-tube diopter, keep the overall design and shape and size and weight. Maybe it would even be rather affordable specced as such.

* Folks might chime in recommending I try the 8x32 UVHD+ or the Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32 or even the 7x35 "Retrovid", all of which resolve some or all of the things I would change about this model. For me, the Ultravid looks spectacular, but I'd rather it was a bit larger for my hands and thus perhaps had room for larger eyepieces to support more eye relief since I do use sunglasses with my binos sometimes. I know folks love the compact design and I support that, but I think in this case the compact design is too much of a good thing and what it sacrifices to achieve that design are things that I would rather have over the compactness. I briefly owned the Conquest and it ticks a lot of boxes but in my opinion lacks the beautiful design and mechanical refinement of the Leica, and the warmer part of the color spectrum looked noticeably more washed out to me - perhaps not a deal breaker but my eyes prefer the Leica colors. Neither have the Trinovid's incredible focusing mechanism. The Retrovid isn't waterproof and lacks shock absorbing armor, I would worry about it too much. The eyecups are also narrower in diameter and don't rest as easily on my face. In my perhaps unpopular opinion, I think the Trinovid HD actually looks cooler too. Zeiss' 8x30 SFL might be another to try, but again it doesn't have a design that intrigues me, which Leica does better than anyone else for my tastes I suppose. The closest thing to try might be the Trinovid HD 8x42 for the more forgiving exit pupil diameter, which might allow me to view comfortably at closer ranges... it's a bit bigger/heavier though and its use cases overlap with my 7x42, so I'd be getting it just for the amazing focuser :)

Thanks for reading!
 
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Nice review! To solve some of your problems, you might try a Nikon MHG 8x42. It is at the same price point being slightly bigger and 2 oz. heavier, but it has a much larger AFOV and less fall off than the Trinovid 8x32. It will wow you more than the Trinovid because of this and seem more immersive.

The larger aperture of the MHG and the bigger EP would as you say give you easier eye placement, and it would be brighter, especially in low light. The MHG also has similar warm color saturation like your Leica.

I think the focuser would be closer to your 7x42 UVHD + being more on the stiffer and precise side, but it is still very good. I have found a little variance between focusers on different samples, but all have been very good.

The minimum IPD on the MHG 8x42 is 56mm, so that would check one of your boxes perfectly and the eye cups work perfectly for me with my rather shallow eye sockets, so I bet they would work for you also without vignetting or blackouts.

The Nikon MHG 8x42 also handles glare well like your Trinovid so that would check another one of your boxes. The build quality might be a little better on the Trinovid, but the MHG is still built well, and it is very durable.

The Nikon MHG 8x42 would be worth a try if you are willing to try a Nikon instead of a Leica. If you buy at a dealer with a good return policy, you can always send it back.
 
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I really like the focuser too and the good ergonomics surprised me when I first held it. Looking through it with my eyeglasses on is comfortable for me; it has the right amount of ER. Several years ago the eye doctor told me my IPD is 59mm. I'm able to get by with the Tvid HD but it would be nice if Leica could improve this in their next version.

If you haven't already you should try the 8x40 SFL. It weighs approx the same as the Tvid HD 8x32. I tried it once at the store and thought it very nice.
 
The MHG also has similar warm color saturation like your Leica.
When I compared my old MHG 8x30 to the TVid HD 8x32 I found the TVid to have a IMO a better, more natural color balance yet still with saturated color. The MHG was noticeably warmer (yellow) to me. I preferred the Leica image and colors much more and this persuaded me to sell the MHG a little while later. that's how I saw it. others may not see much of a difference. I think I'm a bit sensitive to the color balance in binoculars and place a high importance on the right color presentation (for me).
 
You could also give the new Vortex Razor UHD 8x32 a try or wait to see if a new Conquest HD 8x32 comes out this year (hopefully).
The Vortex will most likely be a CCW focus direction though (if that bothers you).
 
You could also give the new Vortex Razor UHD 8x32 a try or wait to see if a new Conquest HD 8x32 comes out this year (hopefully).
The Vortex will most likely be a CCW focus direction though (if that bothers you).
This was my thoughts on the Vortex UHD 8x32 when I compared them to the Nikon MHG 8x42's

"I received the Vortex UHD 8x32, and it is a nice binocular, but the Nikon MHG 8x42 has sharper edges, it was brighter in low light, has less glare, i has easier eye placement, and it was only 2 oz. heavier, so I returned the UHD and kept the MHG.

IMO the UHD has quite a bit of fall off at the edges as Allbinos said. It also has some NL like glare at the bottom of the FOV at times. Furthermore, it had considerably more CA than the MHG, so it was an easy decision with the MHG being almost $500 less expensive.

The FOV of the UHD at 9 degrees does not seem that much larger than the 8.3 degrees of the MHG, so I wonder if it really is 9 degrees. It doesn't seem nearly as wide as the NL 8x32. Part of it is that the edges on the MHG are sharper, so the FOV seems larger.

The UHD 8x32 is a nice binocular, and you might prefer it, but my preference was for the 8x42 MHG. I returned the UHD 8x32."

 
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I really like the focuser too and the good ergonomics surprised me when I first held it. Looking through it with my eyeglasses on is comfortable for me; it has the right amount of ER. Several years ago the eye doctor told me my IPD is 59mm. I'm able to get by with the Tvid HD but it would be nice if Leica could improve this in their next version.

If you haven't already you should try the 8x40 SFL. It weighs approx the same as the Tvid HD 8x32. I tried it once at the store and thought it very nice.
I had both the Zeiss SFL 8x40 and 10x40 and I saw the 'Blue Ring of Death' with both of them, which is a kind of CA which forms a thin blue ring around the edge of the FOV. You may or may not see it because not all see this type of CA.

You probably won't see this type of CA in a store when trying binoculars because it seems to take a good bit of sunlight to show it. It is always best to try binoculars yourself if you can to see if you notice these kinds of things. Seeing CA and glare can be very personal. Some will see it and some won't.
 
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I have deep eye sockets and I find I have to lightly touch the eyecups to my brow to get the right eye relief. It would be nice to be able to more comfortably settle them deeper in my eye sockets for stability.
Sometimes deeper eyecups are available from the manufacturer, though that's less likely with an 8x model (which tend already to have the deepest). This is a far more common problem than it should be. Just 2mm can make a difference.
Another personal issue but this sample's minimum IPD is right at 58mm
This is a stranger limitation, and Leica might appreciate feedback. It has nothing to do with maximum extension for others.
I wish the hinge was a bit stiffer
This can be adjusted by the manufacturer. I had a 10x32 UV that was just as you describe. (also a bit small in the hand as you say)

Do also consider a Zeiss FL or Trinovid BN if you can find a nice one. Good luck with your quest.
 
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When I compared my old MHG 8x30 to the TVid HD 8x32 I found the TVid to have a IMO a better, more natural color balance yet still with saturated color. The MHG was noticeably warmer (yellow) to me. I preferred the Leica image and colors much more and this persuaded me to sell the MHG a little while later. that's how I saw it. others may not see much of a difference. I think I'm a bit sensitive to the color balance in binoculars and place a high importance on the right color presentation (for me).
Interesting. I get a slight greenish hue with the MHG's and a slight reddish hue with the Leicas. To me, the Leica's are warmer.
 
For me, the Ultravid looks spectacular, but I'd rather it was a bit larger for my hands and thus perhaps had room for larger eyepieces to support more eye relief since I do use sunglasses with my binos sometimes. I know folks love the compact design and I support that, but I think in this case the compact design is too much of a good thing and what it sacrifices to achieve that design are things that I would rather have over the compactness.
Maybe you would like the old Trinovid BA/BN model. I have both UVHD 8x32 and Trinovid BN 10x32 and i prefer the latter for the slightly larger format, focus and eyecups.
 
Interesting. I get a slight greenish hue with the MHG's and a slight reddish hue with the Leicas. To me, the Leica's are warmer.
back when I had the Ultravid hd plus 7x42 I also had a 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30.
the Uvid image looked quite a bit warmer while the CL appeared to have a more natural and neutral color balance. fast forward to this year I compared my Trinovid HD 8x32 to another acquired 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30 and this time the Leica color balance looks natural to me while the CL appears cold (blue to me). I assume this noticeable change in the Leica colors is due to their updated coatings which were applied across the range of their binos beginning 2-3 years ago.
 
back when I had the Ultravid hd plus 7x42 I also had a 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30.
the Uvid image looked quite a bit warmer while the CL appeared to have a more natural and neutral color balance. fast forward to this year I compared my Trinovid HD 8x32 to another acquired 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30 and this time the Leica color balance looks natural to me while the CL appears cold (blue to me). I assume this noticeable change in the Leica colors is due to their updated coatings which were applied across the range of their binos beginning 2-3 years ago.
Hi Beth

I have just had a quick look through my recently aquired Trinovid HD 8x32 and compared it against my SW CL 8x30 Gen2 and I struggle to notice any tangeable difference apart from the Leica being brighter due to its larger objective lenses. I assume both have the very latest coatings and may possibly be closer matched.

Both views are lovely, the CL is sharper across the whole FOV and the Leica focus wheel is noticeably smoother and more precise. Despite the fiddly diopter on the SW (fiddly is polite version of PIA) it doesn't move once set unlike the Trinovid's traditional dioptre which is easily moved even when removing the eyecups.

But both are really lovely bino's to use and though too early to form a firm opinion as to which is 'better', the Trinovid super comfortable eyecups and very relaxed view make them an absolute pleasure to use and my, what elegant little things.
 
Pat,
thanks for your comparison. The Swaro EL, CL and CL-b are known to have a neutral or maybe even slightly cold color balance (for some viewers). I assume any Leica Ultravid or Trinovid with the previous coatings will probably look warm compared to EL and CL. For me, my Tvid HD (2022 date) has the best color balance of any binoculars I’ve had. I’d like to look through the SFL 8x40 a bit more as it’s already know to have really good natural and beautiful colors.
 
Maybe you would like the old Trinovid BA/BN model. I have both UVHD 8x32 and Trinovid BN 10x32 and i prefer the latter for the slightly larger format, focus and eyecups.
That is an excellent suggestion. The older Trinovid BA/BN's are really very comparable optically to the newer UVHD+ and the ergonomics and build quality are excellent and may suit some people better than the newer UVHD+.
 
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back when I had the Ultravid hd plus 7x42 I also had a 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30.
the Uvid image looked quite a bit warmer while the CL appeared to have a more natural and neutral color balance. fast forward to this year I compared my Trinovid HD 8x32 to another acquired 1st gen Swaro CL 8x30 and this time the Leica color balance looks natural to me while the CL appears cold (blue to me). I assume this noticeable change in the Leica colors is due to their updated coatings which were applied across the range of their binos beginning 2-3 years ago.
Swarovski's are always blue and cold to me, and Leica's are always redder and warmer. Nikon's are warmer than Swarovski's but usually not as warm as Leica's. Leica's have the warmest, most saturated view I have seen. So if you like a colorful view, you will like Leica's.

It is interesting that color balance is the most important criteria for you when choosing a binocular. Most people look for a big FOV but forget how important color balance is. I am guilty of that myself.
 
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Very nice write up! Thanks for posting. I have 8x42 Trino Hd purchased a year or so ago. My 1st pair of Binos exclusively for birding and kind of wish I would have went for the 8x32's. Not sweating it, but nice reading about your experience.
 
There is no mention of Aquadura, which is Leica's hydrophobic coating. That is only available on the
higher end optics, like Ultravid and Noctovid and RF models.
Jerry
I checked their website, and it doesn’t mention it. I talked to a Leica rep last year who thought they had some kind of hydrophobic coatings but couldn’t confirm it. For 1k they should have some kind of coatings to repel dirt and water, even if it’s not their best coatings. Thanks for the reply!
 
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In particular, Optica Exotica (no longer on youtube sadly) had a few great video reviews and comparisons of the Trinovid HD 8x42 that got me excited about this model.
Indeed, what a loss that was. His content was always well worth watching.

Thanks for the high-quality review. Based on my experiences with the 10x32 Trinovid HD, with 8x42 and 10x42 Ultravid models for comparison, I agree completely. 🙂
 

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