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Martin Hobbs

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Pleasure Martin.

I seem to remember reading that after the massive floods in KNP in 2000/2001 (?) the Pel's numbers dropped as many of the big roosting trees along the river got washed away.

I have also had Ayres at Crookes Corner, so as Dave mentions, keep an eye upwards too!

Andrew

Andrew,
We were in Kruger in the November before the floods.
We had overseas visitors and were staying in the Blyde River Canyon/Pilgrims Rest area in the February (after the floods) and decided to take a day trip into Kruger in the Skukuza area. I couldn’t believe the amount of devastation the floods had caused to the Sand and Sabie Rivers around the Skukuza area. It was as if I was driving along a completely different road. The riverine forest fringe was gone!
We were I Kruger again for our usual autumn trip and was amazed to see the north end of Letaba bridge was gone. Every time we stay at Letaba I sit on the benches in front of the restaurant area and try to imagine that amount of water coming down that river… frightening!
I haven’t seen the same amount of devastation on the Luvuvhu River, but then we are not exposed to the same amount of river frontage along the Luvuvhu as we are along the Sabie and Sand Rivers and so we may not had seen the total amount of damage, so it is certainly a possible reason for the drop in Pels population.
There is now a private lodge on the north side of the Luvuvhu, is this a possible contributing factor as well, as with the extra movement and disturbance that lodge may generate maybe enough to make Pels move from the area?
Either way I will keep a keen lookout, and as for Ayres I will check all along from the tar road to Crooks Corner.
Thanks
Martin
 

Allan Hobbs

Body in the UK, heart in South Africa
Sal,
I may have a bit of a challenge with trying to find new bird sightings for me whilst trying to keep the tourists happy, however these are a few of the new sightings I am after in the north:
Pel's Fishing Owl (if not here, then maybe in St. Lucia a couple of weeks after we finish in Kruger in early February)
Mottled Spinetail
Thick-billed Cuckoo
Meves's Starling
Greencapped Eremomela
Broad-billed Roller
Thrush Nightingale

Martin

Look out for Green-capped Eremomela at the Lookout in Marloth Park! I've seen one there on two separate occasions.

Hi everyone, sorry not to be contributing much lately but I have been working long, long hours. Hopefully this will stop this week.

I've only had time to skim through, but there seems to be a lot going on. I won't give a write-up on our trip in July , partly for time reasons, but also the trip was for my son's 21st. so it was concentrating around him really ( I didn't even make any field lists!), and he was not into birds. I say was because whilst we were at Letaba his girlfriend found the checklist in the Kruger guide, and so started to want to tick everything off, including the birds. He soon came round after that, so we must try to reinforce the bird message!

I'm still hoping to be out again in November - getting withdrawal symptoms

Allan
 

AndrewK

Well-known member
Andrew,
We were in Kruger in the November before the floods.
We had overseas visitors and were staying in the Blyde River Canyon/Pilgrims Rest area in the February (after the floods) and decided to take a day trip into Kruger in the Skukuza area. I couldn’t believe the amount of devastation the floods had caused to the Sand and Sabie Rivers around the Skukuza area. It was as if I was driving along a completely different road. The riverine forest fringe was gone!
We were I Kruger again for our usual autumn trip and was amazed to see the north end of Letaba bridge was gone. Every time we stay at Letaba I sit on the benches in front of the restaurant area and try to imagine that amount of water coming down that river… frightening!
I haven’t seen the same amount of devastation on the Luvuvhu River, but then we are not exposed to the same amount of river frontage along the Luvuvhu as we are along the Sabie and Sand Rivers and so we may not had seen the total amount of damage, so it is certainly a possible reason for the drop in Pels population.
There is now a private lodge on the north side of the Luvuvhu, is this a possible contributing factor as well, as with the extra movement and disturbance that lodge may generate maybe enough to make Pels move from the area?
Either way I will keep a keen lookout, and as for Ayres I will check all along from the tar road to Crooks Corner.
Thanks
Martin

Hi Martin

Indeed, every time I drive over the bridges in the park with flood-level markers on them, I am stunned by how that water must have been!

Not sure if you have seen this article on the KNP website about the Pels, if not, here it is http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-3-16-pels-fishing-owl-23464.html

I am sure it is possible the lodge is also a contributing factor.

I have missed Dickinsons Kestrel twice in the North of the Park, so if you see one, please think of me, and any information on location would be most appreciated!

Thanks
Andrew
 

Dave Kennedy

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Hi Martin

Not sure if you have seen this article on the KNP website about the Pels, if not, here it is http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-3-16-pels-fishing-owl-23464.html

I am sure it is possible the lodge is also a contributing factor.
Andrew

Hi, Andrew,

I have inserted below a quote from the KNP URL you posted above.

"The survey took place in the Pafuri section of the park, following the Luvuvhu River from Crook’s Corner to the Mutale Bend. This is the first survey of the river since the 2000 floods, and Pafuri section ranger Sandra Basson says that the vegetation has changed considerably since then. The first surveys of the Pel’s fishing owl population in this area were carried out in the early 1990s."

This suggests that we are comparing Pel's population today against a population recorded in the 1990's, during which period a major flood in the year 2000 significantly damaged the riverine vegetation. It is entirely possible that the Pel's population were adversely affected by this event. I was there in 2008 and we saw two owls, one flying along the river, and the other sitting in the trees beyond. We assumed this to be a pair, althought this may not necessarily have been the case. Rather than be despondent, I would hope that the population may rather be increasing post the 2000 flood. Because of that flood, any figures from the 1990's become, in a sense, irrelevant, because the natural conditions were changed by that event.

I would not think that Pafuri Lodge on the north bank of the river would have any effect at all on the owls. I have been fortunate enough to see a number of Pel's Fishing Owls in the Delta, and they usually display a fine disregard for anything we happen to be doing.

It is important to understand the role of Pafuri Lodge in northern Kruger.
All ground north of the Luvuvhu River had been subject to a land claim by the Makuleke people. This would have led to the ground being given over to artisanal agriculture such as cattle and maize, and the development of small rural communities, with potentially catastrophic effects on the wildlife and vegetation of the area. Wilderness Safaris, who manage Pafuri Lodge, negotiated an arrangement with the Makuleke people in which the Makuleke people would receive a financial stake in Pafuri Lodge and its operations, in return for the land being left as it is. In a number of cooperative ventures between Wilderness and the Makuleke people, agricultural training in vegetable-growing in tunnels was provided, along with other improvement schemes. That produce is now sold to Pafuri Lodge and elsewhere, and Wilderness draws as many of its staff from within the Makuleke community as is practical, providing their training as part of the agreement. The existence of Pafuri Lodge is therefore integral to the continuing survival of this fascinating piece of country as a wilderness area, and a major factor in improving conditions for the Makuleke community.

Best wishes,
Dave
 

AndrewK

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Thanks for the additional background info on other Pel's experiences as well as the flood Dave, very useful. My original suggestion to Martin was that the flood had dramatically reduced the numbers of Pel's in the Pafuri area, and your comments seem to bear that out. Good to hear the lodge is very unlikely to be a contributing factor.

Any outcome where conservation is the winner rather than agriculture is perfect in my eyes, although that is a delicate balance in our country!

Thanks again for the insight
Andrew
 

Swai

Member
Pipit Question

Hi Guys

New to the forum. Fantastic!

Have had a good week birding: 4 Grey Cuckooshrikes, Yellow Throated Woodland Warbler, 3 White-Starred Robins and 2 Yellow-Streaked Greenbuls.

Question: Is the tail-bobbing of the Buffy Pipit diagnostic?

Thanks
 

Sal

Well-known member
Swai, welcome to BirdForum and in particular to the Southern African threads. Now we can learn something about birding in Swaziland! Where are the best places for birding would you say?

As far as I know, all Pipits show tail bobbing, but I think the Buffy Pipit shows it more enthusiastically than the others so I'm not sure that this is diagnostic. Someone else may be able to answer this question better than I can.
 

Dave Kennedy

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Hi Guys

Is the tail-bobbing of the Buffy Pipit diagnostic?

Thanks

I think most pipits bob their tails, but Riette Griesel of Garingboom in the Free State, where much work was done on the new Kimberly Pipit, maintains that the manner in which it bobs its tail is characteristic. I do not know if the Buffy Pipit has a characteristic way of bobbing its tail, but it is surely possible.

Interesting question, and let's hope we get some more informed answers.

Welcome, and best wishes.
Dave
 

Swai

Member
Thanks

Thanks Dave and Sal

Swaziland has some great spots, most either in reserves or private land. Some that spring to mind: Mbuluzi and Mabuda farm in the north-east and Malalotja in the north-west. Even here on Bulembu where I live there are some great mist-belt evergreen forests which are tough but rewarding.

The reason I asked about the Pipit is that Sasol singles out the Buffy for it's wagtail-like behavior. And we have at lease 3 pairs of enthusiastic bobbers here.

Thanks again for the help and please contact me should you require further info on Swaziland.
 

Martin Hobbs

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Hi, Andrew,

It is important to understand the role of Pafuri Lodge in northern Kruger.
All ground north of the Luvuvhu River had been subject to a land claim by the Makuleke people. This would have led to the ground being given over to artisanal agriculture such as cattle and maize, and the development of small rural communities, with potentially catastrophic effects on the wildlife and vegetation of the area. Wilderness Safaris, who manage Pafuri Lodge, negotiated an arrangement with the Makuleke people in which the Makuleke people would receive a financial stake in Pafuri Lodge and its operations, in return for the land being left as it is. In a number of cooperative ventures between Wilderness and the Makuleke people, agricultural training in vegetable-growing in tunnels was provided, along with other improvement schemes. That produce is now sold to Pafuri Lodge and elsewhere, and Wilderness draws as many of its staff from within the Makuleke community as is practical, providing their training as part of the agreement. The existence of Pafuri Lodge is therefore integral to the continuing survival of this fascinating piece of country as a wilderness area, and a major factor in improving conditions for the Makuleke community.

Best wishes,
Dave

Hi Dave,
Thanks for the information on the Pafuri Lodge. I agree with the building and running of the Pafuri lodge with the Makuleke community staffing it. It was the correct decision to have taken, and it is a credit to the current culture of sustainable conservation to benefit local communities, that is running right through SA conservation presently.
As far as I am aware there was no major building in the Pafuri area and no sizable human population (apart from the picnic site and maybe Frank!) and now there is a busy tourist Lodge.
In the Okavango Delta could this behaviour/tolerance to humans be that these Pels Fishing Owls have been exposed to human contact, maybe for generations, and that the Pafuri Pels have not been exposed to human contact on such a scale, and so this may be a new experience for them that they have to adapt to over time?
Clearly the floods did have a major impact on the area as well, (as I noted from the SANParks web site forum discussing the Pels survey). I didn’t remember it being so bad, maybe my memory is tainted by the comparison with the Sabie and Sand Rivers flood damage that I remember? Or maybe I just getting old and can't remember things as they were!!!
One posting on SANParks web forum also suggested it may be due to the good rains rising and increasing the river flow, and that Pels prefer slow flowing water?

Whatever the reason, it just reduces my chances of seeing a Pels Fishing Owl up there.
Let’s hope the next survey results in better news…

Thanks

Martin
 
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Martin Hobbs

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Thanks Dave and Sal

Swaziland has some great spots, most either in reserves or private land. Some that spring to mind: Mbuluzi and Mabuda farm in the north-east and Malalotja in the north-west. Even here on Bulembu where I live there are some great mist-belt evergreen forests which are tough but rewarding.

Thanks again for the help and please contact me should you require further info on Swaziland.

Hi Swai,
Welcome to the SA Birdforum.
I trust you will get as much information, advice and friendly chat about birds in Southern Africa as I have since joining.
Swaziland is such an interesting country and has so many different landscapes within its borders that you are lucky enough to be able to see everything from the high altitude escarpment loving birds to the deep Tree-Fern lined lush gorges to the Lowveld of Thorn veld and savannas.
All this should make for a great variety of bird sightings.
I look forward to hearing about them!!

Martin
 

Martin Hobbs

Well-known member
Hi,
The terrorist is back….
Although he looks a bit scruffy at the moment, and his tail is about a third of the length it will grow…. The attitude is developing fast!!!
Today his calling has continued non-stop, although his harassment of the other small birds has not started as yet, or maybe he needs just a bit more testosterone for that to begin!!

Martin
 

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Sal

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He's certainly well on his way Martin, nice photos. I guess the females have to start taking notice of him before he really gets aggressive . . . . I heard a Klaas's Cuckoo today for the first time. Does that seem a little early or is it about right? I think they leave Europe around July, has anyone else heard one?
 

AndrewK

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He's certainly well on his way Martin, nice photos. I guess the females have to start taking notice of him before he really gets aggressive . . . . I heard a Klaas's Cuckoo today for the first time. Does that seem a little early or is it about right? I think they leave Europe around July, has anyone else heard one?

Hi Sal

Klaas's Cuckoo is an intra-African migrant, so doesn't have that far to travel. I heard them calling for the first time this season in the last week, so co-incides well with your timing.

The current thinking around Klaas's Cuckoo at the moment is in fact that some may over-winter in SA regularly, and not migrate at all. They are just much more difficult to record in winter when they are not calling!

Andrew
 

AndrewK

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I saw a Klaas' in Zambia last month. I was told that (some) of them overwinter there.

Thanks Swai, and welcome to the forum from me too! For some odd reason I have not been to Swaziland yet, but certainly sounds like it is worth visiting one day! I'll know who to ask about the specials when we do make the trip!

Forgot to mention earlier that I also heard Emerald Cuckoo on Saturday, the first record for me of the new season!

Andrew
 

Dave Kennedy

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Thanks Swai, and welcome to the forum from me too! For some odd reason I have not been to Swaziland yet, but certainly sounds like it is worth visiting one day! I'll know who to ask about the specials when we do make the trip!

Forgot to mention earlier that I also heard Emerald Cuckoo on Saturday, the first record for me of the new season!

Andrew

The last time I was out with David Letsoalo, bird guide at Magoebaskloof, he told me he believes that some Emerald Cuckoos overwinter in his area.
Dave
 

Dale Forbes

SWAROVSKI OPTIK Austria
The last time I was out with David Letsoalo, bird guide at Magoebaskloof, he told me he believes that some Emerald Cuckoos overwinter in his area.
Dave

I had seen Klaas' in both the Soutpansberg and Magoebaskloof in winter when I was working up there.

Incidentally, I picked up a Dideric Cuckoo in BergEnDal camp in Kruger in early August this year. Really quiet and reclusive, but I managed to get some decent digiscoping shots of him.

If you are interested, I posted quite a few digiscoping shots on my blog of African birds and wildlife when I was out visiting the family this (Austral) Winter.

Happy birding,
Dale
 

AndrewK

Well-known member
The last time I was out with David Letsoalo, bird guide at Magoebaskloof, he told me he believes that some Emerald Cuckoos overwinter in his area.
Dave

Thanks Dave and Dale, interesting indeed, maybe more cuckoo species over-wintering than was first thought. Or maybe changing patterns of distribution...

By the way, I had my first 5 swift day at home on Saturday, Little, white-rumped, black, palm and alpine, all on the same day for the first time! The supporting cast included swee waxbills, black cuckoo-shrike, grey-headed sparrow (all recorded less than 5 times in my garden) and a first for my garden, willow warbler (early?).

Andrew
 

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