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<blockquote data-quote="mb1848" data-source="post: 2260622" data-attributes="member: 31036"><p>This does not have anything to do with wether S. pileata needs to be split from S. bouvreuil. In: Plumage variability and taxonomy of the Capped Seedeater Sporophila bouvreuil (Aves: Passeriformes: Emberizidae). Zootaxa 2781: 49–62), the authors state “the nominate subspecies originally described as Loxia bouvreuil Muller 1776 is based on “Bouvreuil de l’isle de Bourbon” (plate attributed to Daubenton and Daubenton 1765-66)…” I do not think this is correct. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On Zoonomen is :</p><p><a href="http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00040a.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00040a.jpg</a> </p><p>and </p><p><a href="http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00041a.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00041a.jpg</a> .</p><p></p><p>Both were on planche 204 but one was figure 1 and one was figure 2 looking at Richmond’s notes. </p><p>Here is Prof. Statius Müller’s Orig. Descr. Of both </p><p></p><p><a href="http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/dms/load/img" target="_blank">http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/dms/load/img</a> .</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bullfinch the Isle of Bourbon. Pl Enl. 204. Fig. 1.</p><p>Idem, bullfinch Cape of Good Hope. Fig. 2.</p><p> Mr. Montbeillard thought these two birds were male and female of the same species. This is not right. Hist. Nat. Ois. iv. p. 387 (1778).</p><p>Bouvreuil de l'isle de Bourbon, Daubent. PI. Eni. v. pi. 204. fig. 1.</p><p>. </p><p>Loxia bourbonensis, P. L. S. МШ1. Syst. Nat., Anhang, p. 154 (1776);</p><p>Bouvreuil de Cap de Bonne-Espérance , Loxia Bouvreuil is in the synonymy of the Black-headed Canary, (Alario alario?) Serinus alario?</p><p></p><p>Here is Martinet, Daubenton planche 204 :</p><p><a href="http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/109383#page/15/mode/1up" target="_blank">http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/109383#page/15/mode/1up</a> .</p><p></p><p>There are many examples of where ornithologists mixed up where birds were from LeVaillaint is famous for this. (isle de Bourbon = Reunion Isle)The bird in figure 1 looks like the capped seedeater. But it is not named Loxia bouvreuil by Statius Muller he named that bird Loxia bourbonensis. That is not a good name for a bird from South America.</p><p></p><p>There is a dissertation by Erika Machado Costa Lima which I am sure explains this but my Portuguese is very bad. It is on www. teses.usp.br</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mb1848, post: 2260622, member: 31036"] This does not have anything to do with wether S. pileata needs to be split from S. bouvreuil. In: Plumage variability and taxonomy of the Capped Seedeater Sporophila bouvreuil (Aves: Passeriformes: Emberizidae). Zootaxa 2781: 49–62), the authors state “the nominate subspecies originally described as Loxia bouvreuil Muller 1776 is based on “Bouvreuil de l’isle de Bourbon” (plate attributed to Daubenton and Daubenton 1765-66)…” I do not think this is correct. On Zoonomen is : [url]http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00040a.jpg[/url] and [url]http://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Loxi/loxi00041a.jpg[/url] . Both were on planche 204 but one was figure 1 and one was figure 2 looking at Richmond’s notes. Here is Prof. Statius Müller’s Orig. Descr. Of both [url]http://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/dms/load/img[/url] . Bullfinch the Isle of Bourbon. Pl Enl. 204. Fig. 1. Idem, bullfinch Cape of Good Hope. Fig. 2. Mr. Montbeillard thought these two birds were male and female of the same species. This is not right. Hist. Nat. Ois. iv. p. 387 (1778). Bouvreuil de l'isle de Bourbon, Daubent. PI. Eni. v. pi. 204. fig. 1. . Loxia bourbonensis, P. L. S. МШ1. Syst. Nat., Anhang, p. 154 (1776); Bouvreuil de Cap de Bonne-Espérance , Loxia Bouvreuil is in the synonymy of the Black-headed Canary, (Alario alario?) Serinus alario? Here is Martinet, Daubenton planche 204 : [url]http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/109383#page/15/mode/1up[/url] . There are many examples of where ornithologists mixed up where birds were from LeVaillaint is famous for this. (isle de Bourbon = Reunion Isle)The bird in figure 1 looks like the capped seedeater. But it is not named Loxia bouvreuil by Statius Muller he named that bird Loxia bourbonensis. That is not a good name for a bird from South America. There is a dissertation by Erika Machado Costa Lima which I am sure explains this but my Portuguese is very bad. It is on www. teses.usp.br [/QUOTE]
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