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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alan Tilmouth" data-source="post: 1558750" data-attributes="member: 63821"><p>Can't offer a positive ID but I just don't see House Martin, the wing length & width proportional to the body length just seems all wrong as does the overall silhouette. I've got about fifty flying round outside and just been looking at some back end views and at the kind of angle this picture is in the forked tail always appears visible, a feature I can't see on the birds in the picture. Sorry I can't offer anything more positive.</p></blockquote><p></p>