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Strix aluco willkonskii (Menzbier, 1896) (2 Viewers)
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I wonder if this could be Vladimir Willkowsky
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1916’DA SUŞEHRİ’NİN SUŞAR MEVKİ’İNE DÜŞEN UÇAK VE UÇAĞI KELKİT’E İNDİRDİĞİNİ ZANNEDEREK ALUCRA’YA İNDİREN RUS PİLOT
İstanbul Teyyaresi İlk tayyarelere ve pilotlara ait fotoğraflar Osmanlı ile Ruslar tarihte pek çok kez savaştılar. Bunlardan biri 93 harbi olarak bilinen 1877-1878 harbidir. Bu savaşta Ruslar, Batu…
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WillkonskiI wonder if this could be Vladimir Willkowsky
1916’DA SUŞEHRİ’NİN SUŞAR MEVKİ’İNE DÜŞEN UÇAK VE UÇAĞI KELKİT’E İNDİRDİĞİNİ ZANNEDEREK ALUCRA’YA İNDİREN RUS PİLOT
İstanbul Teyyaresi İlk tayyarelere ve pilotlara ait fotoğraflar Osmanlı ile Ruslar tarihte pek çok kez savaştılar. Bunlardan biri 93 harbi olarak bilinen 1877-1878 harbidir. Bu savaşta Ruslar, Batu…
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Tawny Owl ssp. Strix aluco willkonskii MA Menzbier, 1896
Floran Vladislavovich Vilkonsky (aka Willlkonski) (DNF) was a Russian collector in Batum (now Batumi) on the Black Sea coast, Georgia. Menzbier was confused, originally giving his name as ‘Willkousky’. He provided no first name(s) for Willkonski. Among his published papers is: Ornithological fauna of Adjaria, Guria and north-eastern part of Lazistan (1897) and Report on ornithological studies of Kutaissi Province in 1893 (1894).
l_raty
laurent raty
[OD here, corrigendum here.]
(Both are in vol. 6 of the journal: the corrigendum is to be treated as evidence of an inadvertent error in the OD; the correct OS of the name is willkonskii. This is a description that was forwarded by Menzbir to the journal, and read by someone else. In the OD, Menzbir presented "Mr. Willkouski" as his friend, and he sent a letter correcting the misspelling almost immediately after its publications. The confusion may be more likely to have been on the side of a British editor, rather than on that of the author...
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(Alt. "Вильконскій" if searching for him in documents from before the spelling reform.)
(Флоран is not a Russian given name I am familiar with, though.)
This was apparently published as a supplement to the Bulletin de la Société Impériale des Naturalistes de Moscou.
.djvu file of his contribution: here. Also (much better scans of the whole volume, but not downloadable): here.
On BHL: here.
Of note: the author was a corresponding member of the Société; the report in question was presented by Menzbir, see here (the first sentence of the page).
(Only initials of his given name and patronymic -- "Ф. В. Вильконский" -- appear in both publications. In don't find his dates.)
(Both are in vol. 6 of the journal: the corrigendum is to be treated as evidence of an inadvertent error in the OD; the correct OS of the name is willkonskii. This is a description that was forwarded by Menzbir to the journal, and read by someone else. In the OD, Menzbir presented "Mr. Willkouski" as his friend, and he sent a letter correcting the misspelling almost immediately after its publications. The confusion may be more likely to have been on the side of a British editor, rather than on that of the author...
)Presumably "Флоран Владиславович Вильконский", then.
(Alt. "Вильконскій" if searching for him in documents from before the spelling reform.)
(Флоран is not a Russian given name I am familiar with, though.)
= Вильконский ФВ [Vil'konskiy FV]. 1897. Орнитологическая фауна Аджарии, Гурии и северо-восточной части Лазистана. [Ornithological fauna of Adjaria, Guria and the north-eastern part of Lazistan.] Pp. 1-121 in: Материалы к познанию фауны и флоры Российской Империи. Отдел зоологический. Выпуск III. [Materials for the knowledge of the fauna and flora of the Russian Empire. Zoological division. Issue III.] Университетская типография, Москва. [University printing house, Moscow.]
This was apparently published as a supplement to the Bulletin de la Société Impériale des Naturalistes de Moscou.
.djvu file of his contribution: here. Also (much better scans of the whole volume, but not downloadable): here.
= Вильконский ФВ [Vil'konskiy FV]. 1894. Отчет об орнитологических исследованиях Кутаисской губ. в 1893 г. [Report on the ornithological survey of the Kutais Governorate in 1893.] Bulletin de la Société Impériale des Naturalistes de Moscou, n.s., 7: 497-504.
On BHL: here.
Of note: the author was a corresponding member of the Société; the report in question was presented by Menzbir, see here (the first sentence of the page).
(Only initials of his given name and patronymic -- "Ф. В. Вильконский" -- appear in both publications. In don't find his dates.)
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l_raty
laurent raty
OTOH, Florian is a Polish given name, as is Władysław, and Wilkoński is a Polish surname.
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I believe he was Polish/ Prussian and nobody got the spelling of his name correct.
I can find
Stefan Florian S.kazimierza Wilkoński (1874-1934)
Birth: Aug 25 1874
Occupation: chemik
Marriage: Marriage to: Adela Ludwika Anna Wilkońska, h. Zaremba
1902 Bydgoszcz
Death: 1934
Parents:
Kazimierz Florian Damazy Wilkoński
1826 - 1884
Prowidencja Stefania c.Andrzeja Wilkońska (z d. Różańska)
1837 - 1899
I can find
Stefan Florian S.kazimierza Wilkoński (1874-1934)
Birth: Aug 25 1874
Occupation: chemik
Marriage: Marriage to: Adela Ludwika Anna Wilkońska, h. Zaremba
1902 Bydgoszcz
Death: 1934
Parents:
Kazimierz Florian Damazy Wilkoński
1826 - 1884
Prowidencja Stefania c.Andrzeja Wilkońska (z d. Różańska)
1837 - 1899
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Nothing much, just an observation ...
In Bonner zoologische Beiträge (of 1961), we find him (and his publication) listed, by (the German) Hans Kummerlöwe/Kumerloeve, as:
Hopefully of some help/use ... ?
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In Bonner zoologische Beiträge (of 1961), we find him (and his publication) listed, by (the German) Hans Kummerlöwe/Kumerloeve, as:
Hopefully of some help/use ... ?
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
In today's Key we find him as:
If relevant?
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... to me, the Middle (or patronymic?) name "V." (as it was written/typed in post #10) seems still unexplained (in the Key).
If relevant?
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l_raty
laurent raty
Published last year:
Шергалин ЕЭ, Климова ЕВ. 2024. Светлой памяти орнитолога Флориана Владиславовича Вильконского (1863-1909). [In blessed memory of the ornithologist Florian Vladislavovich Vil'konskiy (1863-1909).] Русск. орнитол. журн., 33 (2408): 1557-1575.
As I understand it:
"Флориан Владиславович Вильконский" (Florian Vladislavovich Vil'konskiy).
Born, in a Polish family, in Куриловка -- now Курилівка (Kurylivka), Ukraine -- on 3 Jul 1863; baptized in the catholic church of Хмельницький.
School in Ніжин, then Лубни, then university in Moscow, where he studied mathematics and physics.
Married Юлия Платонова Вишнякова in 1887, they had a daughter in April 1888, but the child died in June, and was followed by her mother in Sep; he then apparently decided to move away as far as possible, and applied for an administrative position in Transcaucasia.
There, he started to study local birds under the guidance of Menzbir, whom he had met in Moscow; he became a corresponding member of the Moscow Society of Naturalists and published twice in the Proceedings of the Society, before halting for unclear reasons.
He is known to have remarried at some point (Наталья Кирилловна -- family name not given in the paper), and to have had a son named Александр.
He died of illness in Kharkiv on 1 Feb 1909.
The authors note in the paper that, due to his Polish ascent, his name was written differently in different places; they do not tell us how it had been written in his baptism record. (They do tell us that the family name Вильконский is written "Wilkonski" in Polish.)
He was a direct cousin of Ignacy Jan Paderewski (the latter's father was the brother of Florian's mother).
Шергалин ЕЭ, Климова ЕВ. 2024. Светлой памяти орнитолога Флориана Владиславовича Вильконского (1863-1909). [In blessed memory of the ornithologist Florian Vladislavovich Vil'konskiy (1863-1909).] Русск. орнитол. журн., 33 (2408): 1557-1575.
As I understand it:
"Флориан Владиславович Вильконский" (Florian Vladislavovich Vil'konskiy).
Born, in a Polish family, in Куриловка -- now Курилівка (Kurylivka), Ukraine -- on 3 Jul 1863; baptized in the catholic church of Хмельницький.
School in Ніжин, then Лубни, then university in Moscow, where he studied mathematics and physics.
Married Юлия Платонова Вишнякова in 1887, they had a daughter in April 1888, but the child died in June, and was followed by her mother in Sep; he then apparently decided to move away as far as possible, and applied for an administrative position in Transcaucasia.
There, he started to study local birds under the guidance of Menzbir, whom he had met in Moscow; he became a corresponding member of the Moscow Society of Naturalists and published twice in the Proceedings of the Society, before halting for unclear reasons.
He is known to have remarried at some point (Наталья Кирилловна -- family name not given in the paper), and to have had a son named Александр.
He died of illness in Kharkiv on 1 Feb 1909.
The authors note in the paper that, due to his Polish ascent, his name was written differently in different places; they do not tell us how it had been written in his baptism record. (They do tell us that the family name Вильконский is written "Wilkonski" in Polish.)
He was a direct cousin of Ignacy Jan Paderewski (the latter's father was the brother of Florian's mother).
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l_raty
laurent raty
Current Key :
If I can be allowed two remarks :
If I can be allowed two remarks :
- My current understanding is that he was born, and lived his entire life, in the Russian Empire. (Albeit the region where he was born had been Poland at some earlier point.) If so, would his nationality not arguably be disputable ?
- I suspect that he may originally have been christened with a "Polish" name, although it's probably hard to be completely sure without having seen a baptism record. Even if we assume that he did receive such a name, however, I'm afraid I see nothing suggesting that this name would have included "Władysław" as a middle name. ("Владиславович" -- Vladislavovich -- in the Russian version of his name, is not a middle name, it's a patronymic -- an additional name, without equivalent under Western naming conventions, which indicates that the bearer's father, not him, was named "Władysław". A patronymic is typically added to any non-Russian name that gets russified; its presence does not indicate anything about the original name.) Thus, if it is felt best to cite him under a Polish name, I would limit this name to "Florian Wilkoński".
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James Jobling
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Laurent,
I appreciate your remarks. I had realised that Vladislavovich was a patronym, but inserted Władysław in a vain attempt to resolve the apparent middle name (now removed!) There was never any love lost between the Poles and the Russians, so will keep Wilkoński as Polish — or perhaps he should be Ukrainian, they’ve never liked the Russians either?
I appreciate your remarks. I had realised that Vladislavovich was a patronym, but inserted Władysław in a vain attempt to resolve the apparent middle name (now removed!) There was never any love lost between the Poles and the Russians, so will keep Wilkoński as Polish — or perhaps he should be Ukrainian, they’ve never liked the Russians either?
l_raty
laurent raty
Thanks James,
I have no doubt that, everywhere I have seen them, the "F. V." initials were always back-transliterated from the Russian version of his name, thus "V." stood for the patronymic Vladislavovich, never for any middle name. (As an aside, note that "V" is not a possible initial for a Polish name at all -- the letter only occurs in loanwords in Polish.) If he received more than one given name at baptism, it is most likely that, in the Russian sphere, only one would have be conserved, the other(s) being simply ignored, while a patronymic would have been added -- we have seen this in various other occasions : Gustav Ferdinand Richard Radde became Густав Иванович Радде in Russian because his father's name was Johann, Jean Édouard Ménétriés became Эдуард Петрович Менетрие in Russian because his father's name was Pierre, etc.
I doubt he would have identified as an Ukrainian. He is nowhere called a Russian either in the recent paper. (The paper says he had Polish roots, but is silent about his actual nationality.)
I have no doubt that, everywhere I have seen them, the "F. V." initials were always back-transliterated from the Russian version of his name, thus "V." stood for the patronymic Vladislavovich, never for any middle name. (As an aside, note that "V" is not a possible initial for a Polish name at all -- the letter only occurs in loanwords in Polish.) If he received more than one given name at baptism, it is most likely that, in the Russian sphere, only one would have be conserved, the other(s) being simply ignored, while a patronymic would have been added -- we have seen this in various other occasions : Gustav Ferdinand Richard Radde became Густав Иванович Радде in Russian because his father's name was Johann, Jean Édouard Ménétriés became Эдуард Петрович Менетрие in Russian because his father's name was Pierre, etc.
I doubt he would have identified as an Ukrainian. He is nowhere called a Russian either in the recent paper. (The paper says he had Polish roots, but is silent about his actual nationality.)
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