Stuck again (1 Viewer)

[Fuchsia]

Hello,
When I found this green moth in the trap I thought an ID would be easy but I'm stumped. The nearest I can get is Green Arches - they seem very variable but I can't find any pics with the white lines.
The second I have as Caloptilia robustella or alchimiella - is there a way to tell other than getting personal?
Number 3 I can't find at all.

Any ideas would be great
Ta
Jen :h?:

 

[Surreybirder]

Hello,
When I found this green moth in the trap I thought an ID would be easy but I'm stumped. The nearest I can get is Green Arches - they seem very variable but I can't find any pics with the white lines.
The second I have as Caloptilia robustella or alchimiella - is there a way to tell other than getting personal?
Number 3 I can't find at all.

Any ideas would be great
Ta
Jen :h?:

They don't seem to be getting any easier! Your second micro looks reminiscent of Caloptilia stigmatella--at least in it's attitude. Might be a genus to look at.
Don't recognise the green macro. Could it be one that doesn't occur in the UK?
Ken

 

[Steve Lister]

The green macro looks loke a Guernsey Underwing, Polyphaenis sericata. It is in the Waring fieldguide.

Steve

 

[Fuchsia]

Certainly is Steve - many thanks. Looks like it's just gone onto UK Moths.

Quite a few of those Caloptilias - it was very brightly coloured like robustella - it's a shame it didn't hang around longer for more pictures.

Jen

 

[Surreybirder]

Certainly is Steve - many thanks. Looks like it's just gone onto UK Moths.

Quite a few of those Caloptilias - it was very brightly coloured like robustella - it's a shame it didn't hang around longer for more pictures.

Jen

Well done, Steve. It looks a lot prettier on Jen's photo than in the book!
C robustella looks a good match to me, Jen, but where's Mike W? You did well to photograph it... have you got a new camera?!
Ken

 

[Steve Lister]

Certainly is Steve - many thanks. Looks like it's just gone onto UK Moths.

Jen

Has it been recorded in the UK proper, or just in the Channel Islands. I see the photo on UK Moths is from France.

My first thought was an Orache, which I caught a few times on Jersey last year while staying with relatives, and Waring mentions Guernsey Underwing as a similar species. I wonder how regular it is in your area Jen?

And your photo is a better one than that on UK Moths!!

Steve

 

[Fuchsia]

Well done, Steve. It looks a lot prettier on Jen's photo than in the book!
C robustella looks a good match to me, Jen, but where's Mike W? You did well to photograph it... have you got a new camera?!
Ken

Just the same Coolpix4500 Ken - it's a pig to focus sometimes but I've had lots of practice getting it to focus on my hand and then moving it to the moth.
The Guernsey was out of the fridge and very quiet - unlike a lot of moths recently! I've had a couple of Oraches and will have to see how many of these turn up. I do especially like the green moths.
Speaking of pics Steve, I had a shock this morning when I checked a Dolicharthria punctalis ID that was in the trap this am and found my own pic on UKMoths! I'd forgotten about sending it :bounce: Better not push it with the green one

Jen :flowers:

p.s. Another greeny - attached a SMDJ for Ken - still waiting for a MDJ!

 

[Surreybirder]

Just the same Coolpix4500 Ken - it's a pig to focus sometimes but I've had lots of practice getting it to focus on my hand and then moving it to the moth.
The Guernsey was out of the fridge and very quiet - unlike a lot of moths recently! I've had a couple of Oraches and will have to see how many of these turn up. I do especially like the green moths.
Speaking of pics Steve, I had a shock this morning when I checked a Dolicharthria punctalis ID that was in the trap this am and found my own pic on UKMoths! I'd forgotten about sending it :bounce: Better not push it with the green one

Jen :flowers:

p.s. Another greeny - attached a SMDJ for Ken - still waiting for a MDJ!

Both, lovely pix, Jen. I doubt I'll get SMDJ here! Hope your MDJ turns up this autumn.

 

[Fuchsia]

I've found the 3rd on UKMoths - Esperia oliviella - pic taken again in France.

Jen

 

[Fuchsia]

Another Micro....

Just as I get the micro file cleared, here's another one. I've been through every single micro on UKMoths and have gone bog eyed! Any ideas?

Jen

 

[robmeades]

Just as I get the micro file cleared, here's another one. I've been through every single micro on UKMoths and have gone bog eyed! Any ideas?

Just been through UK Moths on this myself and there are a set (Crambus blah) that look awfully similar to each other but don't quite look like yours. The closest I could see was http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?bf=1294.

 

[Surreybirder]

Just as I get the micro file cleared, here's another one. I've been through every single micro on UKMoths and have gone bog eyed! Any ideas?

Jen

I don't think it's a Crambus. But that's not much help!
Where are all the micro men!?
Ken

 

[Andrew S]

The green macro looks loke a Guernsey Underwing, Polyphaenis sericata. It is in the Waring fieldguide.

Steve

Nice spot Steve! That's cleared up one of my unidentfied moths from Vercors in France, July last year. The Waring picture is not very green, which may be what threw me...

 

[Brian Stone]

Ken's right, this is no pyralid. The long upturned palps are very distinctive. The only species I can think off offhand that looks similar is Oecophora bractella. It isn't that, and may be something rare or absent from the British list, but it could be a related Oecophorid.

 

[Fuchsia]

You're absolutely right Brian - I've found a very similar Esperia sulphurella and will keep looking.

Many thanks
Jen

 

[Brian Stone]

I think this is it: Harpella forficella
http://www2.nrm.se/en/svenska_fjarilar/h/harpella_forficella.html

 

[Fuchsia]

Yey! Some very good photos here
http://nafoku.de/butfly/htm/27061938.htm

Cheers
Jen

 

[MikeWall]

, Jen, but where's Mike W?

Busy, busy!! Probably Caloptilia alchimiella.