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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cuckooroller" data-source="post: 461079" data-attributes="member: 1557">Rasmus,I'll take a stab at the perched bird (though incomplete) just because I don't care if I make mistakes as long as I learn.  At a first cursory look I thought both were soloensis.  Looking better at the second I see that it is not, cere color, too many ventral retrical transverse bars, etc.  The bird would appear to be an adult male whatever it is.  It would not appear to be nanus for the appearance of the undertail and lower belly color, also nanus would generally appear to be more a more compact bird.  I can't absolutely eliminate griseiceps for which I have only one photo of a female or immature bird, however, this photo would not appear to demonstrate the presence of the yellow eyelid that I seem to see here.  I do not have the slightest idea of what Accipiter trinotatus looks like but, since the original ID was for this bird, and since I do not think you are completely off your rocker, I will make the presumption that you have excluded it, how's that for skirting the issue!  It might be rhodogaster for the appearance of the undertail though from the lousy skin photos that I have for this bird it would appear that the color of the wings (from what I can see at least) is more brownish, and also it would appear that the rufous wash of the lower belly extends further down onto the vent.  Therefore, from my admittedly lacunar resources and guessing therefore, I would tend to think this might be Accipiter gularis.</blockquote>

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