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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Troubador" data-source="post: 3246180" data-attributes="member: 109211">Yes Brock, I agree with almost all of your post.I will correct you on one point though. I didn't 'admit' that the choice between SF and EL is subjective as the word 'admit' carries with it an air of reluctant concession, whereas I absolutely have always 'volunteered' that choice of bins depends on many personal preferences.As to Zeiss's efforts being too little too late, you might expect me to say that its a little too early to make that call. These things go in cycles Brock, just like the fortunes of your favourite sports team. Go back two decades and everyone was walking about carrying Leica BA / BNs  then bang, along comes Swarovski with the EL and Leica is now looking a bit like Tiger Woods. The once unassailable Leica is now spending time on the side-lines and Swaro is top dog. Being 'unassailable' just means you are a bigger target.Zeiss's future depends not just on SF / HT but on the base that Terra and Conquest can build and at the moment that looks extremely promising.Lee</blockquote>