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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevin Conville" data-source="post: 1317960" data-attributes="member: 63161">Yeah I know guys that have had older Taks with no problems as well. I agree that it has been (at times) overblown. The difference here is that we're talking about a birding scope that very likely will see rain and potentially considerable shock going from car to field on winter days. It's good to know that the fluorite element is not external.I've gone back to look at the Kowa 883/884 this morning and it sure is an impressive package. Quite light and compact for it's objective size (fast focal ratio I presume), a high level of waterproofness, brilliant optics by all accounts, and maybe the best zoom EP available. If I weren't currently flush with scopes, I know what I'd likely be buying.addendum: I just read your "Tests of Two TSN-883 Scopes" Henry. Nice report, thanks.</blockquote>