I don't need perfection!
And fortunately for me, neither does my wife!
Bob
Therein lies my problem, Bob. I´m on a quest for a pair of binoculars as perfect as my wife.....
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Therein lies my problem, Bob. I´m on a quest for a pair of binoculars as perfect as my wife.....
Kevin Conville
yardbirder
I don't need perfection!
And fortunately for me, neither does my wife!
Bob
I've discovered that neither do I. I'll be happy with the bins Sancho and others sell off to fund their latest.
Therein lies my problem, Bob. I´m on a quest for a pair of binoculars as perfect as my wife.....
OK everyone, we need to be a bit more careful. We now know Sancho's wife reads this forum.
LOL! No she doesn´t...."You´re not on that forum about your stupid birds and binoculars again, are you?" etc. etc.OK everyone, we need to be a bit more careful. We now know Sancho's wife reads this forum.
Therein lies my problem, Bob. I´m on a quest for a pair of binoculars as perfect as my wife.....
Suck-up!
I was going to say something about rolling-ball, but nevermind...
Alexis Powell
Natural history enthusiast
Me too. And if that 5 foot close focus is going to be useful for combo butterflying+birding, the ratio needs to be tweaked to make it faster (something like the Zeiss 8x32 FL would be perfect). Better yet, in what is supposed to be the perfect bin, how about variable ratio focus like the Brunton Epoch and Pentax Papilio!
--AP
Okay, I´ve done it again, made a mistake. I said earlier that the Swarovs had no click-stops. This was wrong, and I re-posted and said they had two positions. BF member Roefisher has just kindly pointed out to me that in fact they have three...when you think you´ve extended the eyecups fully, give an extra little twist, and curiously, they pop back in a little. So in fact there are four positions:
1. fully in
2. first click-stop out
3. second click-stop fully extended
4. third click-stop a little back in again
Sorry about that. Again.
1. fully in
2. first click-stop out
3. second click-stop fully extended
4. third click-stop a little back in again
Sorry about that. Again.
Roefisher
Member
I got my pair of Swarovision EL's yesterday. They're the 8.5x ones and I am exceptionally well pleased.
Yesterday it was down to a poor dusk light before I got them built up and I didn't really get much of an opportunity to have a have a look around. I corrected that earlier today when it was a beautifully crisp afternoon with bright sunlight and I can say without any worry that the image though these is superb. When I went back to my other binoculars there was a noticeable lessening of colours, brightness and general image quality. As far as the rolling ball feature goes, I had the perfect opportunity to examine that today as there is a brand new row of fence posts in the field behind me. There may have been a small amount of it as I trying really hard to see it but I could have easily have said there was nothing at all worth mentioning. I say maybe as it could just have been the loss of clarity which comes from following a moving image but one thing I can say with hand on heart is that I was able to concentrate on the entire moving image with no off-putting distortions whatsoever.
In relation to the earlier model, although I no longer have my old pair of matching EL's to compare these to, they appear to be a little slimmer and lighter. One thing which I am positive about is that they have a much larger ocular lens and a closer focus. There are a few settings to the eyecups but, having tried for a good while today, I reckon that I'm best suited to having them twisted fully out.
I am looking forward very much to my first outing with them which will be down to the Carrick Church Flats on the Roe Valley this weekend. I'll be taking my 8x32's as well to do a few more comparisons but the main thing is that I'll be enjoying myself :t:
Now I have to start my bird & animal watching in earnest. For a long time I was tied up in other things so this will make for a good hobby and interest in the places where I love to go for walks and to relax.
Mark
Yesterday it was down to a poor dusk light before I got them built up and I didn't really get much of an opportunity to have a have a look around. I corrected that earlier today when it was a beautifully crisp afternoon with bright sunlight and I can say without any worry that the image though these is superb. When I went back to my other binoculars there was a noticeable lessening of colours, brightness and general image quality. As far as the rolling ball feature goes, I had the perfect opportunity to examine that today as there is a brand new row of fence posts in the field behind me. There may have been a small amount of it as I trying really hard to see it but I could have easily have said there was nothing at all worth mentioning. I say maybe as it could just have been the loss of clarity which comes from following a moving image but one thing I can say with hand on heart is that I was able to concentrate on the entire moving image with no off-putting distortions whatsoever.
In relation to the earlier model, although I no longer have my old pair of matching EL's to compare these to, they appear to be a little slimmer and lighter. One thing which I am positive about is that they have a much larger ocular lens and a closer focus. There are a few settings to the eyecups but, having tried for a good while today, I reckon that I'm best suited to having them twisted fully out.
I am looking forward very much to my first outing with them which will be down to the Carrick Church Flats on the Roe Valley this weekend. I'll be taking my 8x32's as well to do a few more comparisons but the main thing is that I'll be enjoying myself :t:
Now I have to start my bird & animal watching in earnest. For a long time I was tied up in other things so this will make for a good hobby and interest in the places where I love to go for walks and to relax.
Mark
Not with my SV! Once it goes to the second click (third position) If I go past there the eyecup unscrews out.
Just 3 positions with mine!
Really? That is extremely odd. If you go to the second click-stop, try to do a very gentle twist and apply a little pressure back inwards. Mine pop back in about 1.5mm.
Well, I have not my SVs at hand now but with mine, if I twist the eyecups past the third position it definitely unscrews. Once you got it unscrewed if you look into the eyecup barrel, you'll see a couple of spiral grooves opposite to each other with three "flat" places corresponding to the three available positions. Positions "mid" and "out" have a small tooth as a position detent.
Anyway, I'll try what you said this afternoon at home.
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Sancho, I think I've seen what you mean. What you call the fourth position is what I call the third. There is in fact a semi-position past this one that I think it belongs to the detent, but it is very unstable. I don't think it was made for this purpose. What I call the "fully out" position is what you call the "back in" position. What you call the third position do not stay put firmly at least on both eyecups of my SVs.
Anyway.. yes, there are 4 positions
Anyway, I'll try what you said this afternoon at home.
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Sancho, I think I've seen what you mean. What you call the fourth position is what I call the third. There is in fact a semi-position past this one that I think it belongs to the detent, but it is very unstable. I don't think it was made for this purpose. What I call the "fully out" position is what you call the "back in" position. What you call the third position do not stay put firmly at least on both eyecups of my SVs.
Anyway.. yes, there are 4 positions
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edwincjones
Well-known member
I wonder if my wife is as critical of me with her friends
as we are here with binoculars?
edj
What you call the third position do not stay put firmly at least on both eyecups of my SVs.
Anyway.. yes, there are 4 positions
Hi Calambres (vaya nombre...¿de verdad padeces calambres?
), you´re right, I´ve just tried that 3rd position and it isn´t quite stiff enough to stay in place. I don´t need any of them, though, as I wear glasses and have the eyecups almost fully "in", with a couple of o-rings over them, as advised by other posters. Overall, are you happy with the Swarovisions?
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mooreorless
Well-known member
Hi Sancho, This might not be a fair question it is still early yet , but would you buy the Swarovision again? I think I know the answer, but just wondering.
Regards,Steve
Regards,Steve
That´s a tough question, and it gets into the psychology of bino-buying more than the qualities of the many very fine binoculars out there. In the past five years, I´ve owned EII´s, SE´s, EL´s, IS´s, and ZR´s. And now SV´s (having sold most of the others). If it were about birding, I´d have to admit that to the amateur like me, all of these are optically superb and give equal enjoyment of birds. Optically they are almost identical, and in the field I wouldn´t notice or care about the miniscule differences. If I were sensible, I´d have got a pair of nice ZR 7x36 or 8x43 and had done with it. But if it´s about the binoculars themselves, yes, I think the SV´s are the best all-round package and the one I´d choose again. And although expensive, they´re a lot cheaper than buying a series of eight pairs of binos and selling them on again!Hi Sancho, This might not be a fair question it is still early yet , but would you buy the Swarovision again? I think I know the answer, but just wondering.
Regards,Steve
mooreorless
Well-known member
Hi Sancho, Well I have to say that is a fair answer to a not so fair question.:t: Thanks so much for your answer.8-P BTW I thought that might be your answer.
Kindest Regards,Steve
Kindest Regards,Steve
brocknroller
A professed porromaniac
Sancho,
It sounds like you've moved beyond the realm of binosamsara (the cycle of buying and selling bins in search of perfection) and have finally achieved the ultimate state of binonirvana.
Congratulations! You will never need to buy another bin. Whew! What a relief that must be.
Some people will never reach that state of bliss. Either because they can't afford to or because they enjoy trying different binoculars and find the quest for perfection more satisfying than actually attaining it. The philosophy of "Becoming Is Superior To Being".
Then there are those, like myself, who have lowered their expectations (the bad economy and the "rolling ball" in the SV EL helped with that). I suspect that I would be content enough with the ZR 7x36 ED2.1 (latest version with baffling) if it had edges as good as my original sample and a smoother turning focuser.
At first, my new "be content with what you have" philosophy was a rationalization, like the fable about the Fox and the Grapes: Those grapes (ELs) are probably sour anyway.
But now I think it's actually achievable, and yet I'm glad that I haven't attained it yet, because it gives me something to look forward to.
It's like the day before Christmas when you were a child. The anticipation of the presents under the tree and opening the packages was often more exciting than actually playing with the toys the next day.
If I actually will be content enough after I have an ED2.1 remains to be seen. The concept of being content enough is like a new pair of shoes I'm trying to break in. I can't tell if I'll be comfortable in them until I've worn them for awhile.
I hope that even though you have attained binonirvana, you will still participate in the bin forums and not disappear from the earth plane in your blissful state.
BFM #1: Hey, man, what happened to Sancho? Like did he get taken up in the rapture or something?
BFM #2: No, he achieved binonirvana and is now living on a higher plane of existence where bliss is measured to the thousandths decimal place.
BFM #1: Too bad, I liked reading his posts.
Enjoy!
It sounds like you've moved beyond the realm of binosamsara (the cycle of buying and selling bins in search of perfection) and have finally achieved the ultimate state of binonirvana.
Congratulations! You will never need to buy another bin. Whew! What a relief that must be.
Some people will never reach that state of bliss. Either because they can't afford to or because they enjoy trying different binoculars and find the quest for perfection more satisfying than actually attaining it. The philosophy of "Becoming Is Superior To Being".
Then there are those, like myself, who have lowered their expectations (the bad economy and the "rolling ball" in the SV EL helped with that). I suspect that I would be content enough with the ZR 7x36 ED2.1 (latest version with baffling) if it had edges as good as my original sample and a smoother turning focuser.
At first, my new "be content with what you have" philosophy was a rationalization, like the fable about the Fox and the Grapes: Those grapes (ELs) are probably sour anyway.
But now I think it's actually achievable, and yet I'm glad that I haven't attained it yet, because it gives me something to look forward to.
It's like the day before Christmas when you were a child. The anticipation of the presents under the tree and opening the packages was often more exciting than actually playing with the toys the next day.
If I actually will be content enough after I have an ED2.1 remains to be seen. The concept of being content enough is like a new pair of shoes I'm trying to break in. I can't tell if I'll be comfortable in them until I've worn them for awhile.
I hope that even though you have attained binonirvana, you will still participate in the bin forums and not disappear from the earth plane in your blissful state.
BFM #1: Hey, man, what happened to Sancho? Like did he get taken up in the rapture or something?
BFM #2: No, he achieved binonirvana and is now living on a higher plane of existence where bliss is measured to the thousandths decimal place.
BFM #1: Too bad, I liked reading his posts.
Enjoy!
LOL!!! Thanks Brock, great post. It´s strange, but if I were to give up the SV´s now, and choose just one other bino of those I´ve owned/still haven´t sold, I´d choose the Zen Ray ED2 7x36. I really, really liked the view through those, and the weight, and everything else about them.
Of course the reason I got into buying so many binoculars is that there are no stores in Ireland that carry a decent range, so in order to try them I had to order them from the UK. I could have sent them back, of course, but each new acquisition was kept in the hope that it was "the one". And what got me obsessed initially was reading on BF about the massive range of super binos out there (when I joined I had one pair of Avians!).
So maybe I´m cured with the SV´s. I reckon if you try a pair and like them, you could then buy a piggy-bank, drop twenty bucks a week in it and enjoy the mounting anticipation for two years!
Of course the reason I got into buying so many binoculars is that there are no stores in Ireland that carry a decent range, so in order to try them I had to order them from the UK. I could have sent them back, of course, but each new acquisition was kept in the hope that it was "the one". And what got me obsessed initially was reading on BF about the massive range of super binos out there (when I joined I had one pair of Avians!).
So maybe I´m cured with the SV´s. I reckon if you try a pair and like them, you could then buy a piggy-bank, drop twenty bucks a week in it and enjoy the mounting anticipation for two years!
No, hahaha... es mi "nombre de guerra" en otros foros y en mi web personal (www.pisotones.com)Hi Calambres (vaya nombre...¿de verdad padeces calambres?
Well, I think I've completed my honeymooning with them but I still get a wow each time I use 'em. I love my SVs and my only complaint is the handling... much worse to me than my wife's ELs.
Overall I'm VERY happy with the SVs.
Manuel.
So why is the handling 'much worse' on the SV's?
I find the handling better, but I suppose it depends on one´s hands. And I love the flareless, super-sharp, wide and bright image; it doesn´t feel as though I´m looking "through" anything, just "at" something.
I´m still a lousy birder, and the SV´s won´t change that. But I´m a much happier one!
I´m still a lousy birder, and the SV´s won´t change that. But I´m a much happier one!
