Kevin Conville
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That was a great post(#216) Brock! But, don't count Sancho out of the perpetual bino hair splitting club so quick, he may be the most fickle one here. 
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swarovision EL (1 Viewer)
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I've talked about it in this thread (148). I feel the thumb rests are in the wrong position and with the wrong angle. Put the blame on my small hands but on the other hand
I feel absolutely at home with the older ELs. The SVs are SO good that I need to find anything wrong, hahaha... This is my only complaint albeit very subjective, of course.
Manuel.
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....don't count Sancho out of the perpetual bino hair splitting club so quick, he may be the most fickle one here.
Ain´t that the truth....:-C
Ain´t that the truth, too!
I tried to turn "Rolling-Ball" into a "fault", but it isn´t a fault, it´s a feature, and an irrelevant one to my eyes.
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ingle1970
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Had another look at the swarovison bins 8.5x and the 10x the other day at my local dealer.
The 8.5 is definately better than the 10, everything just seems much sharper, and depth of field is excellent.
Curiously the rolling ball effect wasnt as pronounced as was first seen in my SV which i returned to the dealer, it had the rolling ball in spades !!.
The 8.5 is definately better than the 10, everything just seems much sharper, and depth of field is excellent.
Curiously the rolling ball effect wasnt as pronounced as was first seen in my SV which i returned to the dealer, it had the rolling ball in spades !!.
Mike Penfold
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The ocular lenses on the new ELs are relatively much larger in diameter. Is this related to the larger area in focus?
Mike
Mike
Mike Penfold
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From the lack of response to the above posting, I'm assuming the larger diameter of the ocular lenses on the new ELs has no functional purpose.
Mike
Mike
henry link
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It functions to give the binocular its combination of wide AFOV and long eye relief.
I don't think bino nirvana lasts....it wears off, leading to a sort of restlessness and pondering, which can (can, not necessarily will) lead to....you know, the unsupressable need to compare, test, ask questions & seek opinions......then, back to Mediterrean Ave and it's your roll.
I pretty well thought I'd arrived there with my carefully pared current inventory....haven't bought any new since last June. Lately, I've caught myself checking ebay for a deal on an 8x32FL and 8x32LXL, glasses I have absolutely no need or use for, which will not improve my ability to see anything any better than what I have now.....and still.....
This binoholic stuff is not to be taken lightly.....
I pretty well thought I'd arrived there with my carefully pared current inventory....haven't bought any new since last June. Lately, I've caught myself checking ebay for a deal on an 8x32FL and 8x32LXL, glasses I have absolutely no need or use for, which will not improve my ability to see anything any better than what I have now.....and still.....
This binoholic stuff is not to be taken lightly.....
brocknroller
A professed porromaniac
If it wears off, and you fall back into the cycle of birth and death (buying and selling), it wasn't the true enlightenment of binonirvana, but merely the "false labor" of binosaṃsāra.
It may well be, glasshopper, that in a capitalist society, binonirvana cannot be achieved or only rarely by those few individuals who have mastered the lost art of contentment, because Madison Ave. keeps telling them that they haven't achieved binonirvana (even after they promised them that they would if only they bought their brand's latest model when it came out a few years earlier), but after they do buy it, some incremental improvement is achieved in the next model at an even greater cost, and they are sucked back into the cycle of binosaṃsāra, with restlessness and pondering forever and forever...).
Suggested readings:
Contentment: The life and times of Jacob Hertzler, pioneer Amish bishop.
How I Made a Fortune Selling Amish Culture to the English: The life and times of Jacob Hertzler, Jr., pioneer Amish entrepreneur.
Too true, Spyglass and Brock. And you get the BF 21st-Century Wisdom Award, Brock, for quoting Seneca, my all-time favourite Smart Bloke. I will meditate on this today, and see if it stops me looking at specs of Vortex Kaibabs and 15x Vipers......(mind you, I don´t know if we can entirely blame the marketeers...we do tend to egg each other on here with our epiphanies, mini-reviews, prevarications and re-evaluations...)
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Sancho, u think they don't know that? No optics marketer worth his (or her) salt ignores what's goin' on here (and CN, too, and probably comments to the Porters, Kimmo and even Rosenberg and that Cornell crowd, as well as the UK journals). Obsession has become an abyss and they have posted signage near the edge inviting interested parties to come closer and just take a peek....
LOL! Then they push you right over, and you spend the rest of Eternity clambering up the cliff face only to fall down again repeatedly.
Mike Penfold
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Henry,
Thanks for the info.
Mike
Thanks for the info.
Mike
brocknroller
A professed porromaniac
Too true, Spyglass and Brock. And you get the BF 21st-Century Wisdom Award, Brock, for quoting Seneca, my all-time favourite Smart Bloke. I will meditate on this today, and see if it stops me looking at specs of Vortex Kaibabs and 15x Vipers......(mind you, I don´t know if we can entirely blame the marketeers...we do tend to egg each other on here with our epiphanies, mini-reviews, prevarications and re-evaluations...
Sancho,
Thanks for the BF 21st-Century Wisdom Award. I've made room for it on the mantle shelf right next to my 1991 Filter Queen Top New Dealer Award.
I keep it there to remind me of the prior recession when the only job I could find after leaving grad school was selling $1,500 HEPA filter vacuum cleaners door to door.
Hard enough to sell a husband and wife a $1,500 vacuum cleaner during a recession, but I also had to compete for their attention with Peter Arnett, who was covering the Gulf War, since every house I managed to sweet talk my way into had on CNN.
I agree with your conspiracy theory. To quote a modern era Smart Bloke:
"We Have Seen the Enemy and It Is Us" -- Pogo
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Omid
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well, the moment of truth finnaly came and I laid my hands on a pair of new Swarovision binoculars at Cabelas store in Wheeling, WV. I paid a visit to that store on my drive from Pittsburgh, PA to Morgantown, WV where I am attending a series of ANSI/NIST standards meetings.
I observed that the 8.5X42 SV binoculars are a bit lighter and shorter than the standard EL models. Other than that I didn't notice any difference in the view (indoors of course). I also looked for the infamous "globe effect" by panning across walls with vertical lines on them and noticed nothing strange or odd while panning. So, that does it for me. These are nice binoculars which will make the standard EL achieve "classic" status. I don't have any urge to own them.
I observed that the 8.5X42 SV binoculars are a bit lighter and shorter than the standard EL models. Other than that I didn't notice any difference in the view (indoors of course). I also looked for the infamous "globe effect" by panning across walls with vertical lines on them and noticed nothing strange or odd while panning. So, that does it for me. These are nice binoculars which will make the standard EL achieve "classic" status. I don't have any urge to own them.
mooreorless
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"It is rather great that you are disccussing these various distorations and Edge to Edge sharpness. But who needs Edge to Edge sharpness in a visual instrument???"
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Omid
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Yes, those are my words and I still stand by them. Why did you quote them here?
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mooreorless
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Oh sorry I thought I deleted my post. Decided not to reply. Oh well can't delete now. Not sure what you would of looked for in this binocular, you didn't see rolling ball in the Nikon LX so I doubt you would of saw it in the Swarovision and you don't look for edge to edge sharpness so centerfield sharpness would be left and you don't say if you compared the Swarovision to the "old" EL at the Cabela's store. As far as the quote I don't really understand why you would say that. You do hunt right?
Regards,Steve
Regards,Steve
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Sancho,
Thanks for the BF 21st-Century Wisdom Award. I've made room for it on the mantle shelf right next to my 1991 Filter Queen Top New Dealer Award.
To quote a modern era Smart Bloke:
"We Have Seen the Enemy and It Is Us" -- Pogo
My, Brock, the things we learn on BF!!! I googled Hepa Filters, and was amazed! I might get one! (Don´t really need one, no-one in the house has asthma or anything, but I´m amazed that so many particles go right through our vacuum cleaner and out again.)
You deserve a commission! And then I googled Pogo, and have been reading him ever since! He´s brilliant! How did I get through the last 48 years without Pogo???
Omid
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Yes, I compared the new EL (Swarovision) with the old EL side by side and I also put one barrel of each over one of my eyes and looked for diferences in brightness, color rendition, etc. I noticed nothing. I also looked for straihght lines bending at the edge of the field and didn't see it happening. Then I panned across a far wall to see if I feel that it's not "flat" when I am panning. I didn't see any such effect. So, a) I didn't see EL SV being supirior to the old EL; and b) I didn't see EL SV's aleged field curvature defects either.
Regarding my statement about edge-to-edge you can see my explanation in the same post you quoted it from.
Yes, I do hunt
