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Terns, off Madeira, late July (1 Viewer)

andyb39

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I'm posting these images on behalf of a friend who went to Madeira last month and went on a offshore few fishing trips.

1-3 are not the best images but show a tern with a white trailing edge, fine black bill and an unusual head pattern a little like non-breeding Whiskered. It looks a bit strange for Common, which is the most common species here.

4-5 may be the same bird but may not. In 4, the bill resembles that of Common but appears blackish. Scaly coverts. Tail streamers rather short. Just Common? 5 seems in some respects to be a different bird - the bill looks shorter and heavier but this could be misleading. Again, scaly coverts and scapulars, and mantle heavily scaled. The bill is all-black.

I struggle with terns, especially immatures, so any help is welcome.
 

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Hello,

with a big thanks again for correction to Lou and all and to bump this up:

if forced I would opt for a Roseate Tern for the first bird (despite Sandwich Tern like head pattern, wich would be my second guess)

Your second bird gives a juvenile Sandwich Tern vibe to me, but I am unsure, the bird looks different in both pictures as you said

But I mainly comment to bump it up and hope for more comments. Thanks!
 
Thanks to all three of you for your input.

I checked with the observer and images 4 & 5 were taken just seconds apart, so almost certainly show the same bird.

@SteveClifton I didn't even consider any of the marsh terns for the second bird, as it was apparently seen well out to sea. I checked on eBird and there's just a single sighting of Whiskered Tern in Madeira, photographed back in 2012. Are there any other possibilities?
 
Thanks to all three of you for your input.

I checked with the observer and images 4 & 5 were taken just seconds apart, so almost certainly show the same bird.

@SteveClifton I didn't even consider any of the marsh terns for the second bird, as it was apparently seen well out to sea. I checked on eBird and there's just a single sighting of Whiskered Tern in Madeira, photographed back in 2012. Are there any other possibilities?
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. The apparent rarity of Whiskered Tern in Madeira puts a different slant on things, and the fact that the bird was photographed at sea adds another layer of difficulty/unlikelihood.

I presume these are the only images of this bird?

Firstly, to address Carery's point about the similarity to 2cy Common (or even 1st cy Common). Of course the resemblance to Common Tern struck me. In fact, when I trawled through the thousands of images of Whiskered Tern on E-bird, there are understandably quite a few which are mis-identified Common Terns of various ages. I've juxtaposed images of the bird against both species, and I still see this as closer to Whiskered than Common. Yet I'm also trying to be realistic, and open to be proven wrong!

The lighting doesn't make assessment easy, and the fact that there are only two pictures, neither of which give a good impression of the bird's upper-parts.

I see a 1st calendar year bird here (unless I've 'read' the images wrong) because all of the flight feathers appear to be of the same generation. I would expect a 2cy Common (or indeed 2cy Whiskered) to show a moult contrast in the primaries at this time of year - see attached images showing 1cy Common Terns x2 next to the subject bird. The second image shows two different 2cy Common Terns (both taken in September). Note the obvious moult contrast-they have two different generations of primaries.

I also see a bird with an apparent all black bill and rather short tail. 2cy Common Terns in particular tend to have longer tails than 1cy birds, but this bird's tail looks distinctly short with a rather shallow notch/fork, even in comparison with the 1cy Common Terns. I fully accept btw that this isn't the best angle to judge this feature, nor is it ideal to assess wing length/shape in comparison with the other 1cy Common Tern that is in a similar pose. Slight changes in the position of the wing can alter impressions, but still, I'm seeing a bird which gives the impression of having a combination of:
  • A proportionally large head compared to the Common Terns, with a rather front-heavy, neck-less appearance
  • Short & broad-looking wings (especially the 'hand')
  • short tail with shallow fork
  • An all-dark bill that looks fine for Whiskered Tern (but maybe the harsh lighting is playing a part here in hiding colours?)

The plumage features mostly look ok for Whiskered Tern (e.g. the weak carpal bar and shape of the black crown), with the possible exception that most juv Whiskered Terns have bolder scapular markings than this bird. I also thought that the bill was a little on the small side for Whiskered (many of them have noticeably heavier bills) yet I also found images of many Whiskered Terns that had similarly small/slim bills, very similar to this bird's.

It's an interesting bird for sure, and it raises quite a few questions in my mind. As you've guessed, I'm having a hard time ruling Whiskered Tern out (and Common Tern in as a possibility).

It might not be possible to prove with 100% certainty but I think this warrants further discussion, unless someone can persuade me otherwise...
 

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Thanks Steve for your detailed analysis! Unfortunately I don't have much time at the moment to share my thoughts.

Anyway, as you mentioned already, the angle of the bird at these pictures is difficult to judge some features like wing or tail length.

So, focussing on 'hard' facts I see an all dark bill which should rule out 1cy but is regular in 2cy Common Terns. Like Steve, at first I thought there should be a moult contrast in the primaries. But checking photos of several 1st summer CT also from America, seems to confirm that there is quite a flexible timing and extend of the first moult, esp. in birds from the American population which apparently moult more primaries and do so earlier in summer. E.g. this cy bird (admittedly in August) has already moulted all 1st generation primaries plus it looks rather short-tailed:
ML378039241 - Common Tern - Macaulay Library

One feature that I find strange though is the apparent contrast between dark mantle and white rump... ?

An interesting bird that deserves more attention than I can spend at the moment.
 
Hello everyone, I'm the person that took the pictures. I'd like to thank everyone for their input and expertise. It is far beyond my ability to ID these birds but your conversations have helped immensley. Unfortunately I do not have any extra pictures. I am currently working on recovering data from the SD card to see if I can get more pictures from this bird though I don't know if it will be successful (or if there are any extra pictures).
 

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