I thought the same about the FL, but thought the HT showed slightly better colors. The edge distortion never bothered me. The 7x42 was an amazing pair of binoculars.
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The 10X42 HT compared to the SF and SV (2 Viewers)
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I thought the same about the FL, but thought the HT showed slightly better colors. The edge distortion never bothered me. The 7x42 was an amazing pair of binoculars.
As an FL user for 12 years and HT user for 4 I agree that if you look for things to definitely complain about in FL then you could spend a long time looking.
For me HT was a nice step forward though with a touch better colours, more detail in shadows and much better handling. But does this take anything away from FL? I don't think so. I still have an FL 8x32 and its a gem.
Lee
Vespobuteo
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NDhunter
Experienced observer
Thanks for the link to the review of the SF.
The author mentions that Zeiss calls the glass in the SF "Ultra FL", and he thinks that implies the best ED glass, possibly like FPL-53.
He goes on to mention, this glass may help in reducing CA in this
design as well as possible.
Jerry
binomania
Well-known member
Hi from Italy
Yesterday I and my daughter went into an oasis of northern Italy. We were observing with the Zeiss Victory HT 8x42 and the Zeiss Victory 8x42 SF. My daughter has approached a Galaxy S7 Edge to the eyepieces so we have decided to organize a riddle for you.
Obviously it's just a game because it is almost impossible to get perfect photos with this method. However: you will only see the middle part of the two images. Which is the one obtained with the Zeiss HT? On my website you can see a photo at 2000 px.
Kind Regards from italy
Piergiovanni, Ersilia
http://www.binomania.it/indovinello_zeiss/
Yesterday I and my daughter went into an oasis of northern Italy. We were observing with the Zeiss Victory HT 8x42 and the Zeiss Victory 8x42 SF. My daughter has approached a Galaxy S7 Edge to the eyepieces so we have decided to organize a riddle for you.
Obviously it's just a game because it is almost impossible to get perfect photos with this method. However: you will only see the middle part of the two images. Which is the one obtained with the Zeiss HT? On my website you can see a photo at 2000 px.
Kind Regards from italy
Piergiovanni, Ersilia
http://www.binomania.it/indovinello_zeiss/
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Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
Okay Pier,
I will have a crack - Right hand side = HT . :king:
Do I win my pair of SF's now? Pretty please?? :-O o
Chosun :gh:
I will have a crack - Right hand side = HT . :king:
Do I win my pair of SF's now? Pretty please?? :-O o
Chosun :gh:
That is easy to see the HT is on the left.
There is a relative 5% drop in the red and a 5% increase in the blue between left and right images. That looks like it might be a colour temperature difference to me. I sent a PM to Piergiovani this morning asking if his daughter was able to switch off auto white balance correction on the phone but not had a reply so far. I should have asked about exposure as well. The left image is 15% brighter than the right. Anyone think that these numbers reflect the transmission difference between the SF and HT?
David
David
Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
Hi David,
Yes, that did trouble me - the LHS image is obviously brighter, and thus would point to the greater transmission of the HT, however, the LHS image also shows a decidedly yellow warm colour cast (which would point to the SF), whereas the RHS image has a much more pronounced blue colour cast which only the HT could transmit. :brains:
Either way, I figure something wonky has gone on in unintended adjustment of either brightness, or colour ..... :cat:
I think it's likely that the brightness levels are not a correct representation through the bins - that's why I called RHS = HT ....... it could easily be entirely the opposite way around too! :h?: :-O
Chosun :gh:
NDhunter
Experienced observer
Okay Pier,
I will have a crack - Right hand side = HT . :king:
Do I win my pair of SF's now? Pretty please?? :-O o
Chosun :gh:
You are correct, and here is the reason why. The SF has such a wide
FOV that it offers much more brightness, and it shows.
That is my impression, a very nice, and very bright view.
That is why Pier offered this pic, just to show off how good the SF is, and confound
the HT crowd that thinks it has more brightness.
What some may need to know, is a bright, and wide FOV, can trump higher trans. numbers.
Not sure you are eligible for any award.
Jerry
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Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
You are correct, and here is the reason why. The SF has such a wide
FOV that it offers much more brightness, and it shows.
That is my impression, a very nice, and very bright view.
That is why Pier offered this pic, just to show off how good the SF is, and confound
the HT crowd that thinks it has more brightness.
What some may need to know, is a bright, and wide FOV, can trump higher trans. numbers.
Not sure you are eligible for any award.
Jerry
Jerry, that may be the 'apparent' impression gained in actual viewing ..... I will have to wait a few months to A/B the SF and HT at length under suitable conditions to get back on that. I have A/B'd the 8x42 HT vs every current Swarovski roof known to man, and on brightness it smoked the lot (except the 10x50 SV which was the only one on a par) - even the big A-K ×56mm SLC's couldn't keep up for me, which I found surprising ......
Note though that Pier did say that the photos are of the central portion only (presumably to cut out any visible distortion profiles which would give the game away).
I'm still mostly of the opinion with David, that the photos show too much difference compared to the transmission curves.
It will be very interesting to find out which is which! :cat:
Chosun :gh:
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Lee,
That's possible possible, but with my phone anything less than perfect centering on the EP will cause significant exposure variation. Either way, the brightness difference would be misleading.
If you followed what Henry, Tobias and Arek have written, they set the white balance of the camera first, and then take the test shots with those settings. I don't know if it's possible to do that on the S7. If not, the auto white balance will adjust the RGB levels in each shot so that the whitest objects are made to be white. Those clouds in those shots will become beautifully white, wheras of course with these two binoculas, they should be shades of green.
David
Lee,
That's possible possible, but with my phone anything less than perfect centering on the EP will cause significant exposure variation. Either way, the brightness difference would be misleading.
If you followed what Henry, Tobias and Arek have written, they set the white balance of the camera first, and then take the test shots with those settings. I don't know if it's possible to do that on the S7. If not, the auto white balance will adjust the RGB levels in each shot so that the whitest objects are made to be white. Those clouds in those shots will become beautifully white, wheras of course with these two binoculas, they should be shades of green.
David
It sounds as though your phone's camera has almost got spot metering and as you say this can royally screw-up exposure unless you are very careful with the aiming.
I thought all clouds (and hebridean beaches) were naturally minty green :t:
Lee
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Vespobuteo
Well-known member
Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
How bizzare! :h?: ...... If I look at this with my left eye I see a duck, but if I look at it with my right eye I see a rabbit! 3I always set my pupil size to a constant value and my brain to a fixed white balance temp when testing bins.
BTW, is it a duck or a rabbit in the attached photo?
Looking at it with both eyes, it flips between the two, and not only that but they start talking too! :eek!: ......
"Duck season", "Wabbit season", "Duck season!", "Wabbit season!" "DUCK season!!", "WABBIT season!!" :bounce:
herherherherherherherherheraadddda ! :-O
Chosun :gh: