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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CliveP" data-source="post: 3288471" data-attributes="member: 85835">Yes Joachim. I had a look through some of their other offerings and thought the same. My Hawke 8x25 is about 108m fov and very sharp plus it folds with double hinge so it wouldn't make any sense for me to go for any of the other Pentax although I am sure the  8x25UP would be really excellent based on the Papilio. Seems these small low mag bins are being discontinued, even the Olympus 7x21 seems to be being phased out or gone already but it doesn't seem to have been multicoated. I had an Olympus DPC 8x21 once but it was nowhere near as good as the 6.5x Papilio in fact the Olympus pretty much put me off 21mm size until now.Something I noticed about the 6.5x Papilio that stands out very much is that within say a 10m or perhaps 20m radius everything seems very magnified (much more than 6.5x) and the fov narrower correspondingly but over distance they seem like a more normal 6.5x with 133m view.I'm still hoping to get an improved version of the 8x25 Viking Vistron (or possibly 8x32) from whatever brand as I just really like them in that it is a sort of full size bin but yet a compact and great to use and handle but the optics certainly could be clearer and sharper although the view is comfortable, large and consistent across the whole 7 deg and of course completely glare free. If they weren't good I really wouldn't give them any time but I find I want to take them out with me so they must be working. I just love that when I am using them outdoors I really feel that I am getting a lot from such a small bin, an actually proper usable view and they even work close in very well also. I checked today and they seem to get down to about 80cm but by then it's one eye. I don't even think there is a picture of this Vistron on the web and it no longer seems available so I have something pretty rare it seems and it only cost £28 delivered and still has a 5 year warranty! A good deal I think. Probably originally cost over a hundred. I think it is multicoated with silver prisms and I assume phase coated as it handles CA without problems.I'll try and add the pics from the seller. Ok seems to have worked. Haven't taken any of them myself yet. So this is the little bin that I bougth cheap on auction that has found my favour. It's about 11cm long.</blockquote>

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