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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chosun Juan" data-source="post: 3313598" data-attributes="member: 92780">Leeroy!  :storm:   :storm:Are you still smarting from your last *ss whoopin'?!  (judging from your British Parliment - I thought you guys really went in for that sort of thing!  <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />  3<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />  )What an odd snippet to have chosen to pull out of that post?! (<a href="http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=3305970&postcount=22" target="_blank">#22</a>) .... and unsurprisingly Zeiss focused!  (see what I did there  <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )Whilst the HT's hand is forced (along with the user! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> into forward hand positioning due to it's A-K prisms, (and strangely the vast and expensive Zeiss marketing department missed blowing it's trumpet on this one!  :h?: ), the SF has been purposely designed like this (I mentioned no such thing about shifted glass - which is a just a marketing smokescreen), and the trumpet blown long, hard, and expensively $$$ on that one!!  However, there is a failure by the faithful to acknowledge that this comes at a cost - forward positioning of the hands increases turning moment loads on the shoulder muscles ......  :eek!:So yes it is 'cheating' ...... I can achieve the same sleight of hand (see what I did there again, huh, huh! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> with my Zens by gripping well forward of the focusing bridge, with my pinkies over the front of the objective bridge, and using the front of the large focus wheel to focus with --- it makes the bins seem lighter due to the turning moment induced by the c of g being rearward of the centre of the support structure (my mits! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />, but by crikey, tie me kangaroo down sport, and paint me wallaby black, - jack!! ...... does it ever hurt my dodgy (dodgier than an MP in fishnets! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />  shoulders after a while, and that's in a bin that is lighter than the SF to start with!   :cat:Now had this been achieved not only by an objective redesign (tick!), and lightweight Ultra-FL glass (tick!), but by a revolutionary lightweight carbon chassis as I suggested, then I would have been much more mightily impressed!  The opportunity is there now for Swarovski to pick up the ball and run with it, since Zeiss has missed the boat!  :brains:Anysways, the main point was where is my 9x50 ?????Chosun  :gh:</blockquote>

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