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<blockquote data-quote="janvanderbrugge" data-source="post: 3951759" data-attributes="member: 137246">Hello Laurent,Reading your remarks, I immediately thought of the linguistically rather horrifying list of Th. van Swinderen, mentioned below, but the &quot;Mealy Swallow&quot; is not there. Van Swinderen (not an ornithologist) did not compose the list himself, this was done by one of the junior ornithologists, I cannot trace the name right now, I think it was one of the German fellows, Boie perhaps, in the &quot;Temminck team&quot; (if I may denote it that way).I take the liberty of adding the names I gathered for my own nomenclatural files. The Van Swinderen list has &quot;Stadsche Zwaluw&quot;, apparently taken from one of the German names (= urban swallow).Jan van der Brugge[file D: Delichon urbicum]Delichon urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758)Delichon urbicum urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758)&nbsp; [ChH+M2 p.536]Delichon urbica lagopodum (Pallas, 1811)&nbsp; [ChH+M2 p.536]Delichon urbicum meridionale (E.Hartert, 1910)&nbsp; [ChH+M2 p.536]Delichon urbicum (D.urbica, Hirundo urbica Linnaeus, Chelidion urbica Boje, Chelidon urbica Brehm, Chelidon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; fenestrarum Brehm, Chelidonaria urbica, Hirundo fenestra Wood, Martula fenestra C.T.Wood,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Hirundo agrestis Albin, Delichon tectorum Brehm, Chelidon rupestris Brehm)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (Common House Martin, Northern House-Martin, House Martin / Avión Común / Andorinha-dos-beirais)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (Huiszwaluw / Mehlschwalbe, Hausschwalbe / Hirondelle de fenêtre / Balestruccio)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [The Martin or Martinet. The Martin or Martlet. Hirundo agrestis (Albin, A Natural History of Birds, 2,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1738, p.52 &amp; pl.). House Swallow or Martin (Orn.S.Devon, p.19, for Hirundo urbica).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Martin - Hirundo urbica (Brown, The Zoologist’s Text-Book, 1832, p.226). Eave Swallow (S.D.W.,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Analyst, III (14), 1836, p.200, for Hirundo urbica).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Hirundo urbica. Window Swallow (Cat.Ashmolean Mus., p.30).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The house martin (Malabar Manual, for Chelidon urbica).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Hirondelle de fenêtre. Hirundo Urbica. (Tab.Atlas Ois.Eur.).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Balestruccio. Hirondelle de fenêtre. Hirundo Urbica (Linneo). (Ornit.Sarda)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; La Golondrina de ventana. Hirundo urbica. Lin. (Museo Hist.Nat.).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; House-Martin (Cat.Sudan Birds II, p.61, for D.urbica).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Die Stadtschwalbe. Hirundo urbica. (Meidinger, p.78)&nbsp; Hausschwalbe. Hirundo urbica. (Poeppig)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Haus-Mehlschwalbe. Chelidon urbica. Boje. (Gistl, in Faunus, p.182)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Die Haus-, Mehl-, Stadt- oder Fensterschwalbe, Chelidonaria urbica. (Schreibers, 1, p.10)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Huis Zwaluw. Chelidon urbica, L. (List Artis p.36)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Stadsche Zwaluw. Hirundo Urbica. (Swinderen Index, 1822, p.16)]D.urbicum urbicum (D.urbica urbica)&nbsp; [ChH+M2 p.536]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (European House Martin)D.urbicum lagopodum (D.urbica lagopoda, Hirundo Lagopoda Pallas, D.urbica whiteleyi, Chelidon whiteleyi)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ChH+M p.536]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (Siberian House Martin [Hand-List Jap.B., for D.urbica whiteleyi].)D.urbicum meridionale (D.urbica meridionalis, Hirundo urbica meridionalis Hartert &amp; Kleinschmidt)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [ChH+M2 p.536]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (East Siberian House Martin)Reference for Van Swinderen (his name is attached to one of the Agapornis species):Swinderen, Theodorus van&nbsp; &nbsp; - Index rerum naturalium, quae conservantur in Museo Academico Groningano.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Naamlijst der voorwerpen van natuurlijke historie, welke bewaard worden in het Akademisch&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Museum Groningen. Groningen, 1822</blockquote>

[QUOTE="janvanderbrugge, post: 3951759, member: 137246"] Hello Laurent, Reading your remarks, I immediately thought of the linguistically rather horrifying list of Th. van Swinderen, mentioned below, but the "Mealy Swallow" is not there. Van Swinderen (not an ornithologist) did not compose the list himself, this was done by one of the junior ornithologists, I cannot trace the name right now, I think it was one of the German fellows, Boie perhaps, in the "Temminck team" (if I may denote it that way). I take the liberty of adding the names I gathered for my own nomenclatural files. The Van Swinderen list has "Stadsche Zwaluw", apparently taken from one of the German names (= urban swallow). Jan van der Brugge [file D: Delichon urbicum] Delichon urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758) Delichon urbicum urbicum (Linnaeus, 1758) [ChH+M2 p.536] Delichon urbica lagopodum (Pallas, 1811) [ChH+M2 p.536] Delichon urbicum meridionale (E.Hartert, 1910) [ChH+M2 p.536] Delichon urbicum (D.urbica, Hirundo urbica Linnaeus, Chelidion urbica Boje, Chelidon urbica Brehm, Chelidon fenestrarum Brehm, Chelidonaria urbica, Hirundo fenestra Wood, Martula fenestra C.T.Wood, Hirundo agrestis Albin, Delichon tectorum Brehm, Chelidon rupestris Brehm) (Common House Martin, Northern House-Martin, House Martin / Avión Común / Andorinha-dos-beirais) (Huiszwaluw / Mehlschwalbe, Hausschwalbe / Hirondelle de fenêtre / Balestruccio) [The Martin or Martinet. The Martin or Martlet. Hirundo agrestis (Albin, A Natural History of Birds, 2, 1738, p.52 & pl.). House Swallow or Martin (Orn.S.Devon, p.19, for Hirundo urbica). The Martin - Hirundo urbica (Brown, The Zoologist’s Text-Book, 1832, p.226). Eave Swallow (S.D.W., The Analyst, III (14), 1836, p.200, for Hirundo urbica). Hirundo urbica. Window Swallow (Cat.Ashmolean Mus., p.30). The house martin (Malabar Manual, for Chelidon urbica). Hirondelle de fenêtre. Hirundo Urbica. (Tab.Atlas Ois.Eur.). Balestruccio. Hirondelle de fenêtre. Hirundo Urbica (Linneo). (Ornit.Sarda) La Golondrina de ventana. Hirundo urbica. Lin. (Museo Hist.Nat.). House-Martin (Cat.Sudan Birds II, p.61, for D.urbica). Die Stadtschwalbe. Hirundo urbica. (Meidinger, p.78) Hausschwalbe. Hirundo urbica. (Poeppig) Haus-Mehlschwalbe. Chelidon urbica. Boje. (Gistl, in Faunus, p.182) Die Haus-, Mehl-, Stadt- oder Fensterschwalbe, Chelidonaria urbica. (Schreibers, 1, p.10) Huis Zwaluw. Chelidon urbica, L. (List Artis p.36) Stadsche Zwaluw. Hirundo Urbica. (Swinderen Index, 1822, p.16)] D.urbicum urbicum (D.urbica urbica) [ChH+M2 p.536] (European House Martin) D.urbicum lagopodum (D.urbica lagopoda, Hirundo Lagopoda Pallas, D.urbica whiteleyi, Chelidon whiteleyi) [ChH+M p.536] (Siberian House Martin [Hand-List Jap.B., for D.urbica whiteleyi].) D.urbicum meridionale (D.urbica meridionalis, Hirundo urbica meridionalis Hartert & Kleinschmidt) [ChH+M2 p.536] (East Siberian House Martin) Reference for Van Swinderen (his name is attached to one of the Agapornis species): Swinderen, Theodorus van - Index rerum naturalium, quae conservantur in Museo Academico Groningano. Naamlijst der voorwerpen van natuurlijke historie, welke bewaard worden in het Akademisch Museum Groningen. Groningen, 1822 [/QUOTE]

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