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<blockquote data-quote="jmorlan" data-source="post: 1801553" data-attributes="member: 1564"><p>Thanks Mark for finding out more about "Opinion 2". If there ever was a hypothetical name, I think Brehm's name in this case has to qualify. It is not based on an actual object, but only on a fanciful perception of some bird found in "Amerika" and which is larger than a Three-toed Woodpecker. That could be a Black-backed Woodpecker, or it could be a Bald Eagle for all the good the "description" does. What it cannot be is an American Three-toed Woodpecker which does not fit the description, being on average smaller than any Three-toed Woodpecker found in Eurasia.</p><p></p><p>If Opinion 2 still has standing, then Brehm's name has no right to validity under the law of priority. However, this opinion refers to something called a "Systematic name" which I cannot find in the glossary. Perhaps it has some arcane meaning other than "Scientific name" which is defined.</p><p></p><p>But despite the plain-sense language of Opinion 2, apparently the question still boils down to whether Brehm's name, despite being unidentifiable, is a "nominal taxon." </p><p></p><p>Originally I understood that a "nominal taxon" is any taxon linked to an "available name." An "available name" includes one "valid name" and all its synonyms. Since Brehm's name is not a synonym, I figured it had to be a valid name. But, it was claimed, that an "available name" could include a third class of names: those attached or used for a taxon which cannot be identified. </p><p></p><p>In fact, here is the definition of "available name" from the code: and here again is the definition of a nominal taxon It appears to me that Brehm's name may not qualify because there is no "name-bearing type." There is no specimen and no description which can be linked to a type. The code defines this as follows: Since it is abundantly obvious that the taxon to which Brehm referred cannot be determined, his name has no linkage to a name-bearing type in accordance with the code. Since it fails under the standard of having a name-bearing type, then Brehm's name is not a nominal taxon. </p><p></p><p>If Brehm's name is not a nominal taxon, the name he gave it is not "available" in the sense of the code, and Swainson's name is not a junior homonym.</p><p></p><p>At best, Brehm's name is <strong><em>nomen dubium</em></strong> or name of doubtful application. This is a class of names usually reserved to fossils for which there is a specimen, but it's not clearly identifiable. In such cases, a new type can be designated. But in this particular case, I don't think that chosing a replacement type would work because we have no name-bearing type in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmorlan, post: 1801553, member: 1564"] Thanks Mark for finding out more about "Opinion 2". If there ever was a hypothetical name, I think Brehm's name in this case has to qualify. It is not based on an actual object, but only on a fanciful perception of some bird found in "Amerika" and which is larger than a Three-toed Woodpecker. That could be a Black-backed Woodpecker, or it could be a Bald Eagle for all the good the "description" does. What it cannot be is an American Three-toed Woodpecker which does not fit the description, being on average smaller than any Three-toed Woodpecker found in Eurasia. If Opinion 2 still has standing, then Brehm's name has no right to validity under the law of priority. However, this opinion refers to something called a "Systematic name" which I cannot find in the glossary. Perhaps it has some arcane meaning other than "Scientific name" which is defined. But despite the plain-sense language of Opinion 2, apparently the question still boils down to whether Brehm's name, despite being unidentifiable, is a "nominal taxon." Originally I understood that a "nominal taxon" is any taxon linked to an "available name." An "available name" includes one "valid name" and all its synonyms. Since Brehm's name is not a synonym, I figured it had to be a valid name. But, it was claimed, that an "available name" could include a third class of names: those attached or used for a taxon which cannot be identified. In fact, here is the definition of "available name" from the code: and here again is the definition of a nominal taxon It appears to me that Brehm's name may not qualify because there is no "name-bearing type." There is no specimen and no description which can be linked to a type. The code defines this as follows: Since it is abundantly obvious that the taxon to which Brehm referred cannot be determined, his name has no linkage to a name-bearing type in accordance with the code. Since it fails under the standard of having a name-bearing type, then Brehm's name is not a nominal taxon. If Brehm's name is not a nominal taxon, the name he gave it is not "available" in the sense of the code, and Swainson's name is not a junior homonym. At best, Brehm's name is [B][I]nomen dubium[/I][/B] or name of doubtful application. This is a class of names usually reserved to fossils for which there is a specimen, but it's not clearly identifiable. In such cases, a new type can be designated. But in this particular case, I don't think that chosing a replacement type would work because we have no name-bearing type in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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