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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Farnboro John" data-source="post: 1586972" data-attributes="member: 36432">Yes, and Steph's tale of the bloke drawing a GSP bill when she had spent an hour drawing the one actually visible on the bird is instructive as well!Just thought of another one, a bit nebulous but cautionary in its own way:I was up in Scotland, Aberdeen area, winter.  Freezing cold, previous day heavy snow had prevented us nailing a Snow Goose.  We got the two Maryland ringed Canada Geese (parvipes) though.  Fresh morning (too fresh!) we went after a drake American Wigeon on a small lake just outside the granite city.  My mate found it, I couldn't get onto it.  Not that I couldn't see the birds, I just couldn't pick the Yank Wigeon out.  He gave me loads of repeats of directions, and eventually I figured I was looking at the bird.  Still not 100% but OK, job done, off we went.A day or two later a local worthy visited, got close views and pronounced the bird a hybrid.  Was that why I couldn't pick it out? - to me it wasn't sufficiently different from the European Wigeon it was with?  Maybe.John</blockquote>