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Message: <blockquote data-quote="denco@comcast.n" data-source="post: 3670858" data-attributes="member: 25300">"Dennis is just back on the alpha bandwagon again and [since his purchase wasn't Zeiss] will now go to great and extensive lengths to denigrate them.....wash / rinse / repeat."No, you missed the point. My purchase was a Zeiss. I purchased a new Zeiss Victory 8x25 and I was not impressed with the quality of it. If the Victory had been high quality I would have praised it. I have no brand loyalty nor do I sell or promote any binocular brand. I criticized Swarovski for sticky focusers. After having the older Zeiss Victory 8x20 and comparing it to the newer model I feel Zeiss products for some reason are suffering from a lack of QC. This thread just supports my feelings. I am not knocking Zeiss because I have another brand. I have had many Zeiss in the past and they have been excellent binoculars. When you purchase two of Zeiss's best binoculars and they are both defective I don't care what you say there is something wrong. A $2500.00 binocular should be inspected thoroughly before leaving the factory and IMO it should be perfect. I had many Zeiss FL's and I liked them a lot and they were high quality and I had no problems with them.</blockquote>