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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Troubador" data-source="post: 3511754" data-attributes="member: 109211">JG for me its the same with Tract and Maven as I described for Zeiss. If Tract and Maven designed the bins then they are Tracts and Mavens, not Kamakuras.I guess if Tract came up with a specification and asked Kamakura to design an optical train to satisfy this requirement then maybe that is best regarded as a co-operative design. However this would still be quite different from taking a Kamakura and just paying for new armour to create your 'own' brand.Pete Gamby has told how bins can start as off the shelf designs bought by more than one re-brander which then drift apart as one rebrander asks for different prism coatings and another asks for something else so that over the years the designs become different. This means that a simple re-branding might become more like a co-operative design over a period of years.All it means is that it isn't always a simple matter to slap a label on a model as to how it has originated.Lee</blockquote>