Hi Paul; the Irish rare and scarce whatsapp group has been swamped with this already and it is not a good place to discuss it. That group sends a phone bleep to hundreds of people, with every text and it is hard to manage. Such discussions are better suited to newsgroups (forums/fora) where they can be ignored or where they can ramble on harmlessly for weeks, as people wish. I posted this here as a better place to discuss it than on the whatsapp. There has already been a very rancourous exchange on the rare birds forum on birdforum, so we prob dont need another fight but you can ignore this thread if you wish.
Des