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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chris23565" data-source="post: 1815094" data-attributes="member: 2146">This is also the main reason behind my rant in a earlier post, far to many people are coming into birding an going straight onto the twitching scene without getting to grips with the commoner stuff first, which at the end of the day are just as enjoyable to see on your local patch as anything else, but when a birder (and I use the word loosely) can't indentify a Lesser Kestrel from a Chaffinch (something that actually happened), then it's time to pack in, I havn't twitched a bird since the early 2000's, and I love going round my local patch everyday, I do sometimes get tempted but the thought of people pushing and shoving each other to get the best view and then just ticking a bird because they were told that, that was it, is enough to put me off.As Neil says it is a so called free world and if thats how its done now then so be it, I'll stick with my local lake!</blockquote>