Unknown bird Isle of Vlieland; The Netherlands 20th and 21th of october (1 Viewer)

[gerdwichers8]

Unknown, small passerine bird.

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

The call... recall a European Robin, but the song part is strange... can be a juvenile Robin learning to sing ? Just a guess.

 

[gerdwichers8]

That's a thrush-mix; playbacked at a ringing-track

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

That's a thrush-mix; playbacked at a ringing-track

I'm against playback, and strongly against ringing. I know, that's not the place to talk about that, but it is so depressing that birders, that should be among the first people to see how critical is the collapse of biodiversity, lose time in disturbing the birds instead of acting properly for conservation.

 

[Jean FRANCOIS]

Bluethroat for me.
The date is amazing.
Jean

 

[rollingthunder]

Tape luring is lazy birding and has no place if you call yourself a birder imo. Do the time and learn things it will be more satisfying in the end. It makes birds behave differently and more prone to predation.

The Golden rule is the welfare of the bird comes first - there are no other rules.

This does not benefit the bird conversely it increases pressure and although not relevant to my point is well outside the breeding season so do yourself and the bird a favour and desist.

Laurie:C

 

[Jean FRANCOIS]

Bluethroat for me.
The date is amazing.
Jean

I had missed a stage :C
Jean

 

[gerdwichers8]

Suggestions, complaints about the ringingstation etc. to: http://www.vinkenbaanvlieland.nl/

Myself is a recordist who is not involved in the ringing actvities nor did I bother to filter theirs.

 

[rollingthunder]

Fair enough but the points i make are valid imo - there can be a case made for conservation purposes, re-discovery or nocturnal species but use of tape-lures in general cannot be condond imho:t:

To reiterate - does your activity benefit the welfare or well-being of the bird?
If not then don’t do it - it really is quite a simple formula. Same with flushing and photography - they have enough presure without idiots degrading the scenario. If on a twitch you see something then say something.....i do or used to when i twitched.

Laurie -

 

[dantheman]

I think this is an 'official' long term ringing station using playback to lure birds in - presume there is a national body governing its use in the Netherlands? (Understand ringing is fairly regulated?)

Don't know how much mix tapes are used in the UK at Bird Observatories these days, but they certainly used to be.


(As an aside, looking at the trektellen totals linked from that website, some good birds and a fair few retraps over the last month or two, eg RF Bluetail, 319 Goldcrest one day etc)

 

[rollingthunder]

Fair comment - Bird Observatories are a law unto themselves but carry out a lot of good work imo:t:

I will forgive them the odd ringing tick from time to time

Laurie -

 

[gerdwichers8]

..settled? ID please..

 

[rollingthunder]

The high-pitched call or the buzzing? There is a lot of background stuff with other calls just to confuse things...

Laurie -

 

[Jean FRANCOIS]

..settled? ID please..

I guess the Bluethroat song comes from the tape recorder.
Otherwise we hear European Robin, Common Reed Bunting, Coot and Common Redshank.
Jean

 

[rollingthunder]

Missed the Coot:t: Presume Bluethroat being used as a lure?
That should push the frontiers of bird ID #not

Laurie:t:

 

[gerdwichers8]

the thrush-mix is only very faint in the background. Only excellent hearing and very good ID skills should hear it.

But oh, you missed the Greenshank too.. nor Bluethroat in this recording.

 

[PYRTLE]

the thrush-mix is only very faint in the background. Only excellent hearing and very good ID skills should hear it.

But oh, you missed the Greenshank too.. nor Bluethroat in this recording.

Out of interest, why did you post the recording in the first place? You knew it was a mix on a loop at a ringing station?

 

[gerdwichers8]

Out of interest, why did you post the recording in the first place? You knew it was a mix on a loop at a ringing station?

In between me and the station, there's 3 polders, a road stretch and a dune complex. So..

 

[PYRTLE]

Thanks, makes sense to me now.

 

[PYRTLE]

Okay, that explains some of the sounds and lure calls. As a recordist, can you isolate the call you are seeking an identification for? There is too much going on otherwise.
Thanks.