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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tdodd" data-source="post: 1405707" data-attributes="member: 55450">100% correct, Roy. The whole thread is (supposed to be) about exposure, and using manual exposure in particular. Whether the subject is wild, tame or anything in between has bugger all to do with anything. A BIF is a BIF. I fail to see how the presence or absence of jesses makes a scrap of difference to how you go about getting the exposure right. The birds I shot were doing giant circuits, perhaps 200m in diameter, and in some cases disappearing up to a km away or more. They were appearing and disappearing in and out of the tree line and presented a challenge just as demanding as wild birds as far as exposure was concerned. Of course, there was no real challenge because manual exposure kept the exposure correct (or close to it) regardless of the backdrop. John, I'm afraid I have no idea what point(s) you are trying to make, but you appear to be completely missing the point of the thread. Either that, or I am.</blockquote>