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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alexis Powell" data-source="post: 3535369" data-attributes="member: 5327">Jerry and adhoc,Yes, I know 8x20 format is a hard sell and most don't spend enough to get one that is good enough, or don't take the time/trouble to learn to make the format "sing" in use. My main gripes with the 8x20 Conquest are poor strap attachment design (leading to abysmal hang), lack of positive hinge stops, awkward focus, and optics that aren't up to the standard of the best available (and you need all you can get in this format!). I haven't had a chance to try the Hawk 8x25 Sapphire. I have tried the Swarovski 8x32 EL SV, and it is nice to hold and look through, but it is big for an 8x32 (packs similarly to a Leica 8x42 Ultravid). I only use that format for functional spec (e.g. quick yet precise close focus ability of Zeiss 8x32 FL), or when travelling, in which case I'm looking for as small a package as possible. I find the EL SV unsatisfactory in those respects. Again, I welcome the 8x25 format, just don't want to see superb 8x20 choices go away. But if a bino company wants to market something "new", how about a super premium 7x21?--AP</blockquote>