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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bryon Wright" data-source="post: 3338001" data-attributes="member: 2304">Warblers DalatAndy,You and Dalat have developed this  into a far ranging post. Possibly lots of BF's have the Kloss's on their list from Northern Thailand.  Any perceived  confusion may possibly  stem from in the past, when the maps stated that a high altitude, habitat specific, resident Blyth's, and a migrant Blyth's occurred seasonally together. Or at the very least these two occurred together at  times at different elevations on the same mountain?  Of course these two were later split. So in view of this, it is not surprising that Ayuwat has not seen Blyth's in conifers? Which Blyth's is he referring to, though?  Kloss's prefers full climax, higher montane forest, in my experience. I cannot recall ever seeing any in dwarf montane or conifers. I think the nuthatch analogy a bit unfortunate. Most behave more like a cutia but perhaps this analogy would not resonate with most as much as the nuthatch one. They all walk or creep along horizontal branches at times.They all have a remarkable presence totally different from a regular phylloscopus which rarely cling like titmice. Prolonged, loud and  persistent vocals can sometimes be heard.Would tentatively suggest that Claudia's is a more far ranging mid- elevational bird, than perhaps acknowledged. Goodsoni/Hartert's, more assuredly,  like Ayuwat suggests is  the most likely candidate for lowland mosaic in North  Vietnam and  even in parks in the cities?Are you or others  suggesting Kloss's for Dalat in general  or the remnant  forested peaks in the area? Also are the other birds utilizing conifers in plantations or indigenous relict pines?  Finally the possibility of for example  Emei leaf Warbler and other wandering unknowns creating confusion  must be acknowledged. I do not think up to now I have passed a briefly observed Eastern crowned as Claudia's, or vice versa?</blockquote>

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