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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SteveClifton" data-source="post: 1670442" data-attributes="member: 48420">Tristan, have another look at the two lower birds in the original picture. How do you explain how these two show completely dark outer primaries with no 'finger of white' (wing bar) eating into them, whereas all 6 of the Goldies showing their upperwings in the linked picture in Nicks post 18 show very clear white wingbars extending almost to the wing tip, with dark both before and after the white?I accept that the back-lighting is harsher in the OP but it would still be possible to see the white wing bar with dark trailing edge if it were present.What's more, while I accept that the bills of the original 3 birds do look stubby (due to foreshortening) they look nowhere near as short & stubby as the Goldies in Nick's linked pic.Also, the birds in post 1 have more obviously protruding rear ends due to their longer legs (because they are Redshanks!)The new Collins is I believe due out in March-a long time to wait!!, but you might still get a copy of the old one if you ring around all of your local bookshops<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />All the best,Steve</blockquote>