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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lmans66" data-source="post: 1439806" data-attributes="member: 48976">Remember that we are talking Winter....and going into migration so we all know that this is a time where coloration has changed or in process of ......in many birds. So perhaps this is a perfect example of simply not knowing but doing the best we can as "individual" birders to tick it according to our best idea.Many of us are experts or close to it, compared to the average bear....and we even have trouble. This forum if anything is an excellent place for new birders to see value in what we are debating but also they need to find value in they themselves making a final decision based upon everything, and even then .....the answer might be wrong! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Based on what I said....I think we can't discount a stray but we considering that there is real no firm evidence to support one bird or the other, Memse has to take into account the natural habitat of birds found in that area and provide a 'best guesstimate" and use that bird for ID purposes.</blockquote>