What binoculars do you think have the most WOW factor! (1 Viewer)

[8x60deckmount]

8x60deckmount,
What Victory model did you compare it with?
Gijs

8x56 FL and RF 8x45

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

8x60deckmount,
the RF 8x45 will not yield enough light intensity (smaller exit pupl, lower light transmission) to be a match for an 8x60 with 80% transmission, however the 8x56 FL should allthough I never measured its light transmission. Considering the performance of other FL Victories it should be in the range of 90% and that should be enough to be an excellent competitor for the 8x60.
Gijs

 

[8x60deckmount]

I think there is more than lighttransmission to look at . The quality for this old one is skyhigh and mine is like new inside . crystalclear. Maybe i have found me a very good one . Earlier owner did find it at a Marked at a price like 50 $

Every one did also not believe that I did have a Left version before I did came with the Photo. The Deckmount WAS ONLY made with IPD on Right site did the experts said. I dont know . It is marked Left and do have the IPD on Left site .
So far - no one of the experts have seen the Left version before I showed up with mine.

 

[typo]

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And if the newer is suppose to be bether (???)
Please explain me why the mountains 60 away is clear and bright in the old deckmount but I dont get it clear and bruight with the 3 month old zeiss victory

Just a bit of speculation. Assuming the resolutions of all the pairs are first class then might it be relative blue transmission between the pairs. Blue light is comparatively readily scattered contributing to to haziness at distance. If the Deck Mount had yellower coatings it might explain the comparative clarity compared to the modern pairs?

David

 

[hinnark]

Those 8x60 bins excel with a very wide FOV in combination with an extra-wide sweet spot. Light transmittance is by far not the only criterion to assess the quality of binoculars.

Generally spoken, binoculars work as optical filters, where shorter wavelengths of light (e.g. blue) are more absorbed by the glasses inside as the long ones. This is the case also with almost all other translucend media, such as water and air. Thus, binoculars could be regarded as kind of a mild yellow/orange/red optical filter. With modern multi-coatings and to a lower degree also new types of glass, a more even transmittance of light can be achieved. With this, the filtering effect is no longer present. At long distant clear views, a yellowish filter could enhance the visibility of details in the way a noise reduction filter does. It enhances the signal of optical information in front of the background of optical noise (e.g. caused by air turbulences) at far distant targets.

Obviously, at Zeiss they knew well about these effects, since they provided different additional optical filters with several of their military binoculars. This leads me to the question why the makers nowadays don't provide such filters. I recall that Leupold have offered filter with some of their rifle scopes.

Steve

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

8x60deckmount,
If the 8x60 is so good as you report it may be a lot of fun to visit the Zeiss company in Wetzlar with it and ask them to do some basic measurements like MTF curves, light transmission spectra, contrast transfer function measurements etc. They do that with great enthousiasm is my experience when I came there with a 5-10x Marineglass from 1896.
And with those data you could give a lecture about it at the next meeting of the Binocular History Society, which will take place in the Optics Museum in Wassenaar, The Netherlands in the beginning of October of this year. You may be able to find a similar binocular as you have in the Peter Louwman collection in the Optics Museum and you certainly will meet many enthousiastic binocular collectors, who will be interested.
Gijs

 

[8x60deckmount]

The deckmount do have the yellow filters and that does it is working exellent at long distance .:t: Even without coating its very nice when su n is shining.

 

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Don't they use yellow filters for cutting through fog and haze?

 

[8x60deckmount]

Don't they use yellow filters for cutting through fog and haze?

I am not an expert on filters .
The filters in mine is yellow / maybe alittle bit orange and the second filter is dark grey. There is 4 functions . Ohne glass , Klar , Sohne and Scheinwerfer -- No glas, Clear , Sun and Searchlight


A copy of the deckmount did go here today (but sadly not the same quality)

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What is optically superior about them? Just curious. I know they are porro's.

 

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I get the Canon 12x36 II IS's tomorrow. I will tell you if they are WOW or BOWOW.

 

[8x60deckmount]

What is optically superior about them? Just curious. I know they are porro's.

zeiss 8x60 deckmounted :Quality high sky . But you have to see it to believe it .

3 owners of zeiss FL 8x56 have tried the 8x60 . I didnt mention how good it is before they tried it.. Every one was shocked and says that if someone was thinking that the FL was bether than the deckmount , they dont know what they are talking about .

But I am not an expert . I am only a lefthanded man that have found myself a left version of a very , very good binocular

So far it seems to be the only left version found.


I do also have the 18x80 -20 degree deckmounted but my 8x60 beats the big one

 

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Where did you acquire these deck mounts at? This one is really cool!

 

[ceasar]

The only fair test would be to use both of them hand held while walking around a bird reserve for 5 or 6 hours and then make a decision on which pair was best!

Don'tcha think?:smoke:

Bob

 

[Giorgio]

The only fair test would be to use both of them hand held while walking around a bird reserve for 5 or 6 hours and then make a decision on which pair was best!

Don'tcha think?:smoke:

Bob

Agreed, the best binoculars are the one you can handle during your trips without beeing disturbed by its wheight. Otherwise i'll stick with a Docter 8x56 porro.
These monster bins are good for their purpose, analyze and identify the planes and the ennemy boats, but for birding that's a bit an insult to the modern roofs.

 

[etudiant]

Agreed, the best binoculars are the one you can handle during your trips without beeing disturbed by its wheight. Otherwise i'll stick with a Docter 8x56 porro.
These monster bins are good for their purpose, analyze and identify the planes and the ennemy boats, but for birding that's a bit an insult to the modern roofs.

The optical performance of these 'monster binoculars' is something I would dearly like to find for my birding excursions. These are heavy, but probably mostly because they have a marine grade bronze or brass body shell. A modern version of this glass need not mandate users to pop steroid pills as a prerequisite.

 

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I would hire a Sherpa to carry them and then when I see a bird I snap my fingers and he holds them to my eyes. What do you think?

 

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The optical performance of these 'monster binoculars' is something I would dearly like to find for my birding excursions. These are heavy, but probably mostly because they have a marine grade bronze or brass body shell. A modern version of this glass need not mandate users to pop steroid pills as a prerequisite.

I have no doubt the view through these is stunning. Older coatings or not.

 

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One thing you are overlooking on these deck mounts is that the focal length is longer than a normal binocular which would give them a big optical advantage.

 

[ceasar]

I would hire a Sherpa to carry them and then when I see a bird I snap my fingers and he holds them to my eyes. What do you think?

I think he'd better not drop it on your toes!

But first you will have to make sure he likes the focus wheel or IF rings. If he is as fussy as you are he may refuse to handle them.

Bob