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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paddy7" data-source="post: 3429356" data-attributes="member: 88594">I've done some further mulling on this thread - i hope it remains pertinent to the OP.Firstly, i remain perfectly delighted with the FL 8 x32, which i got at a reasonable price on Ebay, second hand (but in perfect nick). I remember the Allbinos review calling it a 'virtually flawless' binocular.Following various discussions with Typo and others, i also found out that at my age, (provided i had no problem with the eye positioning, which i don't), the exit pupil of 4mm was about as much as i could use.The problem (not just for Zeiss, but for all other top-line manufacturers) would be how to lure those that are hugely attached to their bins to upgrade?So, to the possibilities of the market:There is an enormous number of over-50s birders who would benefit from the light weight of 8x32s, perhaps not knowing that lugging enormo-bins around wasn't giving them much in the way of 'more light'.I realise that concentrating on the physical limitations of age may not be much in the way of positive marketing, but i never see much emphasis on the exit pupil issue in publicity material.The notion of the 'upgrade' has to overcome the law of diminishing returns, or the fixing of a long-standing issue with a particular model. At the top end of optics, how much room for noticeable, compelling and irresistible improvement is there? They're all so damned good anyway......</blockquote>