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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paddy7" data-source="post: 3430048" data-attributes="member: 88594">That's interesting too - and brings me back to the point about a market in 'upgraders' and the marginal advantages gained from quite large further investment. I can't remember what John upgraded to HT from now - it wasn't FL or Swaro though.So (and i'm sure consideration must be given to this in the marketing rooms in Germany and Austria and Tokyo) - how does one 'sell' an upgrade to those who may be pretty much satisfied with their older model? Or do you look for a market via a new selling point altogether?While the actual figures and speed of 'degeneration' may be debated, it is certainly true that as you age, your pupil dilation will lessen - some quicker, some slower, but it happens.I've just had two foreign trips into some quite demanding terrain, and the FL never let me down - and was as much as i wanted to cart up the foothills of Mt Kazbegi!If the light-gathering advantages become more marginal to the more mature consumer, then playing on size and weight can come into play.It will be interesting to see what any 8x32SF looks and feels like, aside from any FoV gain, and what approach is taken to promotion.David -  yes - it was Steve's 'piggy eyes' comment, which he hasn't let up on in the 9 months since! Every bird i miss seems to be because of it now!</blockquote>