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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ceasar" data-source="post: 3516625" data-attributes="member: 26155">I have never used a binocular that limited the FOV when its eye cups were fully extended.  When I try using one with the eye cups down I get black outs and find it impossible to hold the binocular steady while I am searching for the eye relief I require.   I have read here in the past that some people have removed the eye cups completely and experienced a wider view.  I belief that Frank D. experimented with it and wrote about it here.  I don't know if he uses binoculars in that manner now.  Personally, I would give up using binoculars rather than have to use them in this manner!It seems that almost all binoculars except most prominently, Swarovski, now have multiple positions for their eye cups so almost everybody should be able to find an eye position that accommodates them.I have experienced fogging of the ocular lenses when using my Nikon 8x30 EII which has short eye relief.  I have never run into that problem with binoculars which have long eye relief over 15mm.Bob</blockquote>