What's this Dove ? S. decaocto or roseogrisea ? in France (1 Viewer)

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Hi All

I shooted this dove that I found different from these congeners. I thought it was the African Collared-Dove (Streptopelia roseogrisea) because of its small size and its color, but after reflection, I have a doubt, it could only be the Eurasian Collared-Dove. Can someone confirm or not? Decaocto or roseogrisea ?

City: La Rochelle
Country: France

 

[THE_FERN]

From memory of another thread, I think we need to see the tail/wings to tell?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

we need to see the tail/wings to tell

Yep it's true but Dovinette didn't want to show the underside of his tail. I found it surprisingly small compared to a Eurasian Collared Dove sitting nearby

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

you can see undertail coverts and underwing on the second photo , utcs rather whitish and no visible black on the outer vanes of the tail feathers
so that is a S. roseogrisea I think (domestic variant in this case, also called S. "risoria")

See these UTCs and tail feathers in comparison
Upper two birds roseogrisea, lower bird decaocto

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P73d3B20tLw/WqsKDkEVeWI/AAAAAAAAIHc/opcUGQsrVw8OLZJN3mcsPQvuPyqlddAQACEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_0525.JPG

see also here:

Différences tourterelle turque / rieuse de type sauvage

and read this story

A new and reliable field mark to distinguish African and Eurasian Collared Dove?

Last autumn I went for a vacation to the beautiful island of Tenerife, together with my non-birding girlfriend. Birding was not a primary...

thelittlestint.blogspot.com

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

you can see undertail coverts and underwing on the second photo , utcs rather whitish and no visible black on the outer vanes of the tail feathers
so that is a S. roseogrisea I think (domestic variant in this case, also called S. "risoria")

See these UTCs and tail feathers in comparison
Upper two birds roseogrisea, lower bird decaocto

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P73d3B20tLw/WqsKDkEVeWI/AAAAAAAAIHc/opcUGQsrVw8OLZJN3mcsPQvuPyqlddAQACEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_0525.JPG

see also here:

Différences tourterelle turque / rieuse de type sauvage

and read this story

A new and reliable field mark to distinguish African and Eurasian Collared Dove?

Last autumn I went for a vacation to the beautiful island of Tenerife, together with my non-birding girlfriend. Birding was not a primary...

thelittlestint.blogspot.com

Thank you. So, that confirms what I assumed. When I saw it, I really thought it was different. It seemed to me smaller and with an isabelle pink shade. But it seems that the breeding Eurasian Collared Dove have a pink chest 🤔