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Which Honey buzzard? Greek-Turkish northern borders (1 Viewer)


Hello everyone! These are two different individuals flying over the Greek-Turkish border, in Evros Delta. If it wasn't for what seems like a 6th finger and if the region didn't give the odd sighting of OHB every now and then, I would have no doubts that these are European, but I struggle with young birds. Can you please help in identifying if these are European or Oriental? I see online a lot of dark oriental individuals and I don't really understand the differences in darker birds.

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Both European Honey Buzzards. You already mention the sixth finger which is, however, too short for OHB. Moreover, juvenile EHB show broder and fewer bars at the reminges and a broader trailing edge to the wing. Also the carpal area appears slightly darker...

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