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Which Turtle Dove? Iran, Khorasan-e Jonobi, Nov. 2022 (1 Viewer)

Pedrambirder

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Iran
Hi all,
These two shots belong to one of our bird watchers, Mr. Samii.
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It would be fine to know some keys for ID, between Rufous & European, if possible.
I tried to find some pictures of Juvenile (S. o. meena), but couldn't find any...
 

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andyb39

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Oriental for me too - the eye has a circular orbital ring rather than a leaf-shaped one as in European. Also, as Dawsy says, lots of dark centres to the scapulars, etc.
 

Pedrambirder

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Iran
Thanks for your comments @Dawsy , @THE_FERN & @andyb39
I have the same idea as you all said for same reasons, but also there is a doubt about the width of the white band on the tail, could it be an important key for an European one or normal to be seen in Oriental?
 

Muppit17

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Thanks for your comments @Dawsy , @THE_FERN & @andyb39
I have the same idea as you all said for same reasons, but also there is a doubt about the width of the white band on the tail, could it be an important key for an European one or normal to be seen in Oriental?
There is a difference between the two races, meena and orientalis, in the coloration of the tail band, so I suspect that your question is related solely to meena, which I guess is also the race you get in Iran, and also the race I am most familiar with from Central Asia, including my trip to Uzbekistan this May.

I saw both species, although European was by far the rarer of the two. However I have to admit that I didn't notice any real difference in tail band width and certainly wouldn't claim one on this feature alone.
 

Pedrambirder

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Iran
There is a difference between the two races, meena and orientalis, in the coloration of the tail band, so I suspect that your question is related solely to meena, which I guess is also the race you get in Iran, and also the race I am most familiar with from Central Asia, including my trip to Uzbekistan this May.

I saw both species, although European was by far the rarer of the two. However I have to admit that I didn't notice any real difference in tail band width and certainly wouldn't claim one on this feature alone.
Thank you,
Yes exactly, by Oriental in my last comment, I meant Streptopelia orientalis meena which is possible to be seen in Iran, as you also mentioned correctly.
 

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