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<blockquote data-quote="l_raty" data-source="post: 3141160" data-attributes="member: 24811"><p><em>Cygnus</em> Bechstein, 1803 [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/127844#page/446/mode/1up" target="_blank">OD</a>].</p><p>Originally included species:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Anas Olor</em> Gmelin [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/83107#page/7/mode/1up" target="_blank">OD</a>]</li> </ul><p><em>Anas cygnus</em> Linnaeus is <em>not</em> cited, thus it can definitely <em>not</em> be the type by tautonymy. <em>Anas Olor</em> Gmelin is the type species by original monotypy.</p><p>(Note that there are also suggestions that <em>Cygnus</em> might be regarded as available from Garsault 1764 ["<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/104875#page/101/mode/1up" target="_blank">OD</a>"]. This would not change anything regarding the type species, though.)</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Olor</em> Wagler, 1832 [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/85170#page/663/mode/1up" target="_blank">OD</a>].</p><p>Originally included species:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Olor musicus</em> (<em>Cygnus musicus</em> Bechstein)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Olor Bewickii</em> (<em>Cygnus bewickii</em> Yarrell)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Olor Buccinator</em> (<em>Cygnus Buccinator</em> Richardson)</li> </ul><p><em>Anas olor</em> Gmelin is <em>not</em> cited, thus it can definitely <em>not</em> be the type by tautonymy. (And the descriptive text [<em>die Stirn ohne höcker</em>: the forehead without a bump] actually excludes it.) No type species fixed in the OD. Type species deemed (eg., <a href="http://zoonomen.net/cit/RI/Genera/O/o00133a.jpg" target="_blank">Richmond</a>, <a href="http://www.aou.org/checklist/north/pdf/AOUchecklistTin-Falcon.pdf" target="_blank">AOU 1998</a>) to have been fixed by subsequent designation by <a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/48588#page/87/mode/1up" target="_blank">Gray 1840</a> as <em>Cygnus musicus</em> Bechstein [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/95666#page/306/mode/1up" target="_blank">OD</a>], which is a junior synonym of <em>Anas cygnus</em> Linnaeus. Gray did not do this, though: he designated "<em>Cygnus mansuetus</em>" (L.) Wagler", adding a reference to a plate showing a Mute Swan (<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/109417#page/33/mode/1up" target="_blank">Planche enluminée 913</a>). "<em>Cygnus mansuetus</em>" is a prelinnean name, used by Willughby and Ray for the Mute Swan, and cited by Linnaeus 1758 under the <em>varietas β</em> of his <em>Anas cygnus</em> [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/10277#page/140/mode/1up" target="_blank">here</a>]. This designation is invalid (what Gray designated was not an originally included species); I'm unsure who actually designated a type validly.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Troglodytes</em> Vieillot, 1809 [<a href="http://www.e-rara.ch/nev_r/content/pageview/1894111" target="_blank">OD</a>].</p><p>Originally included species:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Troglodytes aedon</em> Vieillot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>Troglodytes arundinaceus</em> Vieillot</li> </ul><p>This case is less straightforward than the previous two, because <em>Motacilla troglodytes</em> Linnaeus/Gmelin <em>is</em> cited in the synonymy of <em>Troglodytes arundinaceus</em> Vieillot [<a href="http://www.e-rara.ch/nev_r/content/pageview/1882594" target="_blank">here</a>], and this might be interpreted as satisfying Art.68.4: "If a valid species-group name, or its cited synonym, originally included [Art. 67.2] in a nominal genus-group taxon is identical with the name of that taxon, the nominal species denoted by that specific name (if available) is the type species (type species by absolute tautonymy)", effectively making <em>Motacilla troglodytes</em> Linnaeus the type species by absolute tautonymy. What <em>Troglodytes arundinaceus</em> is deemed a synonym of, however, is the "Var. Y" (actually the <em>varietas γ</em>) of <em>M. troglogytes</em>, described but not named by Gmelin 1789 [<a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/83107#page/500/mode/1up" target="_blank">here</a>]; <em>Motacilla troglodytes</em> itself is not presented as "a cited synonym" of "a valid species-group name" originally included in the genus, and therefore does <em>not</em> qualify as the type species.</p><p>No type species fixed in the OD. Type species fixed as <em>Troglodytes aedon</em> Vieillot by subsequent designation by <a href="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/33120#page/431/mode/1up" target="_blank">Baird 1858</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="l_raty, post: 3141160, member: 24811"] [I]Cygnus[/I] Bechstein, 1803 [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/127844#page/446/mode/1up"]OD[/URL]]. Originally included species: [LIST] [*][I]Anas Olor[/I] Gmelin [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/83107#page/7/mode/1up"]OD[/URL]] [/LIST] [I]Anas cygnus[/I] Linnaeus is [I]not[/I] cited, thus it can definitely [I]not[/I] be the type by tautonymy. [I]Anas Olor[/I] Gmelin is the type species by original monotypy. (Note that there are also suggestions that [I]Cygnus[/I] might be regarded as available from Garsault 1764 ["[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/104875#page/101/mode/1up"]OD[/URL]"]. This would not change anything regarding the type species, though.) [I]Olor[/I] Wagler, 1832 [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/85170#page/663/mode/1up"]OD[/URL]]. Originally included species: [LIST] [*][I]Olor musicus[/I] ([I]Cygnus musicus[/I] Bechstein) [*][I]Olor Bewickii[/I] ([I]Cygnus bewickii[/I] Yarrell) [*][I]Olor Buccinator[/I] ([I]Cygnus Buccinator[/I] Richardson) [/LIST] [I]Anas olor[/I] Gmelin is [I]not[/I] cited, thus it can definitely [I]not[/I] be the type by tautonymy. (And the descriptive text [[I]die Stirn ohne höcker[/I]: the forehead without a bump] actually excludes it.) No type species fixed in the OD. Type species deemed (eg., [URL="http://zoonomen.net/cit/RI/Genera/O/o00133a.jpg"]Richmond[/URL], [URL="http://www.aou.org/checklist/north/pdf/AOUchecklistTin-Falcon.pdf"]AOU 1998[/URL]) to have been fixed by subsequent designation by [URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/48588#page/87/mode/1up"]Gray 1840[/URL] as [I]Cygnus musicus[/I] Bechstein [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/95666#page/306/mode/1up"]OD[/URL]], which is a junior synonym of [I]Anas cygnus[/I] Linnaeus. Gray did not do this, though: he designated "[I]Cygnus mansuetus[/I]" (L.) Wagler", adding a reference to a plate showing a Mute Swan ([URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/109417#page/33/mode/1up"]Planche enluminée 913[/URL]). "[I]Cygnus mansuetus[/I]" is a prelinnean name, used by Willughby and Ray for the Mute Swan, and cited by Linnaeus 1758 under the [I]varietas β[/I] of his [I]Anas cygnus[/I] [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/10277#page/140/mode/1up"]here[/URL]]. This designation is invalid (what Gray designated was not an originally included species); I'm unsure who actually designated a type validly. [I]Troglodytes[/I] Vieillot, 1809 [[URL="http://www.e-rara.ch/nev_r/content/pageview/1894111"]OD[/URL]]. Originally included species: [LIST] [*][I]Troglodytes aedon[/I] Vieillot [*][I]Troglodytes arundinaceus[/I] Vieillot [/LIST] This case is less straightforward than the previous two, because [I]Motacilla troglodytes[/I] Linnaeus/Gmelin [I]is[/I] cited in the synonymy of [I]Troglodytes arundinaceus[/I] Vieillot [[URL="http://www.e-rara.ch/nev_r/content/pageview/1882594"]here[/URL]], and this might be interpreted as satisfying Art.68.4: "If a valid species-group name, or its cited synonym, originally included [Art. 67.2] in a nominal genus-group taxon is identical with the name of that taxon, the nominal species denoted by that specific name (if available) is the type species (type species by absolute tautonymy)", effectively making [I]Motacilla troglodytes[/I] Linnaeus the type species by absolute tautonymy. What [I]Troglodytes arundinaceus[/I] is deemed a synonym of, however, is the "Var. Y" (actually the [I]varietas γ[/I]) of [I]M. troglogytes[/I], described but not named by Gmelin 1789 [[URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/83107#page/500/mode/1up"]here[/URL]]; [I]Motacilla troglodytes[/I] itself is not presented as "a cited synonym" of "a valid species-group name" originally included in the genus, and therefore does [I]not[/I] qualify as the type species. No type species fixed in the OD. Type species fixed as [I]Troglodytes aedon[/I] Vieillot by subsequent designation by [URL="http://biodiversitylibrary.org/item/33120#page/431/mode/1up"]Baird 1858[/URL]. [/QUOTE]
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