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Wolf-watching nr. Utrecht?! (1 Viewer)
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Frank van Drogen
Not so important
Hmmmm. I wouldn't consider a wolf that is actively attacking people as wild enough to protect. I don't see why not to shoot it.
Xenospiza
Distracted
There are plenty of wolves in the Netherlands that are well-behaved towards people (not so much towards sheep).
Now there is one individual that attacks children (and there is actual DNA proof that this is the case), I think it is in the interest of all other wolves to show the willingness to act. Maybe the "paintball gun" approach should be tested first.
Now there is one individual that attacks children (and there is actual DNA proof that this is the case), I think it is in the interest of all other wolves to show the willingness to act. Maybe the "paintball gun" approach should be tested first.
YuShan
Well-known member
With wolves living in densely populated areas like the Netherlands, wouldn't it be a good idea to remove the very bold ones (i.e. the ones that attack people) from the gene pool? If you want people and wolves to live peacefully side by side, I think it is essential for the wolves to learn to fear people, otherwise there will always be conflicts.
Not sure how to solve the sheep problem. It's only natural for wolves to take advantage of such an easy food source. Perhaps you can have a pack of dogs guarding the sheep, but that would impose a lot of extra cost and effort on sheep farmers.
Btw: I think it is wonderful to have wolves back. I wish they could cross the sea and come to the UK and help to keep the deer in check.
Not sure how to solve the sheep problem. It's only natural for wolves to take advantage of such an easy food source. Perhaps you can have a pack of dogs guarding the sheep, but that would impose a lot of extra cost and effort on sheep farmers.
Btw: I think it is wonderful to have wolves back. I wish they could cross the sea and come to the UK and help to keep the deer in check.
I've always enjoyed seeing wolves, their tracks and hearing their voices...except for when they come closer to town and start taking my friend's dogs.
Less predators hunting means more deer getting hit on the roads and not good for anyone.
Xenospiza
Distracted
Pictures of the bite wounds are now on-line:
nos.nl
Vader doet verhaal na incident met wolf in Leusden en deelt foto's
Na het incident was het 5-jarige meisje bang om naar het bos te gaan en had ze moeite met slapen, zegt haar vader.
nos.nl
Frank van Drogen
Not so important
The girl states she was bitten, bystanders saw that she was bitten -- some wolf fanatics (sorry, 'experts') claim she was not bitten.
The debate is obfuscation from the pro-wolf side.
They don't sound like wolf fanpeople to me, but ymmv.
Whether the observations of hysterical bystanders, a father who wasn't even present or a 5-year-old child are more reliable than the analyses of the injuries from wolf experts and a pathologist is more than questionable.
Whether the observations of hysterical bystanders, a father who wasn't even present or a 5-year-old child are more reliable than the analyses of the injuries from wolf experts and a pathologist is more than questionable.
Having seen and had many over the years, it seems like a fairly ridiculous idea that the wounds in the pictures were caused by a fall.
On the other hand, if those wounds were caused by a bite, I'd think they look more like warning, or exploratory bites, rather than serious attacks.
katastrofa
Well-known member
I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that the girl was bitten by someone's dog. Or a feral dog.
Wolves in Europe are very shy of people and stay well clear of them.
Wolves in Europe are very shy of people and stay well clear of them.
Xenospiza
Distracted
No, there's DNA evidence that she was at least confronted by the wolf.
There is plenty of video footage of wolves entering Dutch towns in full daylight.
Also in Germany, some wolves have become overly confident when it comes to people.
These wolves do not need to be careful like in Norway, where they are still hunted.
I was having some doubts too but all these points deserve attention, particularly the one about not being hunted giving them more confidence to go where they can find a wider range of prey.
katastrofa
Well-known member
There is more than 1,000 wolves in Poland, they've been under strict protection for decades - and they're still very shy of people.
I also don't think a typical Western European is able to easily tell a large dog and a wolf apart, and there's far more of the first.
I also don't think a typical Western European is able to easily tell a large dog and a wolf apart, and there's far more of the first.
Xenospiza
Distracted
I am happy that the wolves are back, but the issues are real.
Every attack is checked to exclude large dogs.
The problem is that you're not thinking. Emotionally refusing to accept DNA evidence says that you're less interested in the truth than in having it be the way you'd prefer for it to be. If there was solid DNA testing done to make the verification then you have to grudgingly accept the fact, or doggedly pretend that the lab technicians are wrong.
katastrofa
Well-known member
Do you have a reference for the DNA evidence?
Calling Xenospiza a liar isn't a good look, but at least have the courtesy to ask him yourself.
Ribbon
Being Phyllosophical
In Dutch:
www.provincie-utrecht.nl
DNA-onderzoek bevestigt: wolf bij incident 31 juli in Austerlitz
DNA-onderzoek op de kleding van het jonge kind dat betrokken was bij het incident op 31 juli in het bosgebied van Austerlitz, heeft bevestigd dat er een wolf betrokken is geweest.
Though protected on paper in Poland, they are still frequently shot/snared, eg of 16 individuals that were fitted with GPS collars between 2014 and 2020, six were shot and three snared. Many records of illegal shooting each year - result is effectively the same as legal quota killing.
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