Woodchat shrike? (Iran) (1 Viewer)

[gholamhosseini]

Hi
Please help me for ID.
I think no.1 and 2 are juvenile of woodchat shrike.
I have no idea for no. 3 (Pipit?) (unfortunately the picture is not good)
Thanks

 

[Derbyfella]

Sorry I’ve gone off Google photos! 2nd looks to be….1st one???could it be turkestan shrike? No red tail though.

 

[Richard Prior]

If 1 and 2 are the same bird it goes to show how light/ camera settings can change the look of an individual!

 

[KenM]

Am wondering if pallidirostris might be a shrike candidate?

Cheers

 

[Muppit17]

I have been looking at the photo's and wondering why the bird looked so grey and yet in IMHO isn't one of the grey shrikes.

It is certainly a juvenile and the key features that can be seen include

• Pale rump
• White patch at base of primaries
• scapular patch
• dark lores
• short tailed

To be it also looks relatively dainty - not having the heft of GGS complex but that is subjective.

The species that meets all of these criteria is Woodchat shrike, specifically the niloticus ssp which should be the local race in Iran and whose juv. is normally described as being 'surprisingly similar to juv Masked Shrike'

 

[gholamhosseini]

Thanks you all
As I have recorded adult of woodchat and Masked Shrike on the same day at this locality, I think the probability of these two is higher than the rest.
Best Regards
Ali

 

[gholamhosseini]

If 1 and 2 are the same bird it goes to show how light/ camera settings can change the look of an individual!

1 and 2 are two different individual.

 

[THE_FERN]

I have been looking at the photo's and wondering why the bird looked so grey and yet in IMHO isn't one of the grey shrikes.

It is certainly a juvenile and the key features that can be seen include

• Pale rump
• White patch at base of primaries
• scapular patch
• dark lores
• short tailed

To be it also looks relatively dainty - not having the heft of GGS complex but that is subjective.

The species that meets all of these criteria is Woodchat shrike, specifically the niloticus ssp which should be the local race in Iran and whose juv. is normally described as being 'surprisingly similar to juv Masked Shrike'

1) looks to have a brown mantle for me. Excludes the grey shrikes I think. 2) might have brownish scapulars [ditto]

 

[Muppit17]

1 and 2 are two different individual.

Well it certainly isnt a Masked, which have dark rumps and longer tails than this bird.

Still a woodchat in my eyes