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Wow those Nikon 8x32 SE's are Impressive! (1 Viewer)

FrankD

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So it's just not rational

OK, next time I go to the Montlake Fill I'll take my SEs with me. Sort of desensitization therapy ("OK, today we'll just bird with them for 10 minutes. See the blue sky?") mixed with cognitive therapy ("Really, the changes of damaging them is very small").

Now that made me laugh. I was just saying something to someone yesterday that ended with..."Yeah, I know but who says that I need to be rational."

FWIW, I would do the same thing with some of the bins that rarely left the house. Can you believe I would actually use the FLs the least of any of the bins (except for hawkwatching season). For me there is that fear of a sense of loss if something were to happen to them. "Oh no, I don't feel complete if I don't have my FLs." Selling them was probably one of the best things I could do.

;)
 

John M Robinson

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;)



I haven't had a problem with any of my bins.

But I'm pretty aware of the sorts of problems one can get and both water (most likely in PNW at this time of year) or dust (most likely on the East side of the Cascades here in summer) are issues.

Even with the SE I know that with that downside they're fully repairable too. Even if they get dust or water in them Nikon can fix them (at some not huge cost). Perhaps one should consider (old) porros like cars that have a maintenance cost associated with them just as a matter of course. That would be another reason for buying from one of the top four (plus perhaps a couple of others) who actively maintain and refurbish good old bins.

So it's just not rational ;)

OK, next time I go to the Montlake Fill I'll take my SEs with me. Sort of desensitization therapy ("OK, today we'll just bird with them for 10 minutes. See the blue sky?") mixed with cognitive therapy ("Really, the changes of damaging them is very small").


Hi Kevin,
If you only had one pair of very nice bins, I could see witholding them from more dangerous duty, but with many fall back options, why not subject them to more abusive conditions and send them back to Nikon for cleaning if need be. Except in the most extreme situation, thats what I plan to do with my SEs. If it's raining cats and dogs I'll take my 8x32BNs, not a huge fall off anyway. This is all assuming the SEs work for me when they arrive next week.

John
 

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I was out on the deck looking around comparing my Nikon 8x32 LX L's and my Nikon 8x32 SE's when a nice Red-Shafted Flicker landed in a tree. I focused the LX L's on him and he did look good with that brown crown and grey face with that red stripe going through it. But then I pointed the Nikon 8x32 SE's at him and WHAT a remarkable sight. That extra bit of resolution brought out the beautiful details of his spotted underparts and crescent bib. It was just like you moved 8X times closer to the bird because of the 3D effect. A good pair of binoculars really adds to the enjoyment of the hobby. I love those SE's! I am glad I found porro's.

Dennis
 

FrankD

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Hmm, so have you now found your perfect bin Dennis?

I think I remember your progression to this point...

Nikon LXL 8x32
Leica Trinovid 7x42
Leica Trinovid 8x32
Zeiss 10x42 FL
Swaro 8x32 EL

Am I missing any?
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
The amount of optics erudition revealed in this thread never ceases to amaze me, and I am not being sarcastic. Here in White Suffering Springs, Mt. with an elevation of over 5,000 feet and a low relative humidity, on a clear day one can see over 80 miles. Wind keeps out the particulates that create haze in more populated areas, i.e., when forest fires have died down. Less than 2,000 people live in a county of over 2,400 square miles. Here binoculars take on even a more special meaning for long distance viewing.
We experience the mirage factors big time, whether from heat, wind, or light. Reflection off snow creates special viewing problems in particular.

On any given day elk, whitetail and mule deer, antelope, coyotes, red fox, and beef cattle and horses can be seen from my bay window. Raptors are always present, mostly redtail hawks, and bald and golden eagles, which choose to winter here. Surprisingly, mallards and Canadian geese stay in the mountain valleys, eschewing the warmth of the lower states. The Sandhill Cranes return each spring to entertain us with their raucous calls.

Just as the sun had set, with temperature in the 40s (F), no wind, and most of the snow gone, I set up a number of binoculars to make some comparisons off a steady rest. My targets were black and red beef cows in hay meadows a half mile away and a herd of antelope several miles away. I had about a half hour of twilight to work with.

The binoculars were Nikon 8x32 SE, Zeiss Fl 8x32, Leupold Cascade 8x42, Bushnell Featherlights 8x40, Bushnell Featherweight 8x30, Fujinon 8x30, Nikon 8x23 Diplomats,
Celestron Regal LX 10x42, and Leupold Yosemite 6x30. All but the Bushnell 8x40 and Fujinon 8x30 were center focus. These were on waist high benches so I could pick one up and put it down rapidly meanwhile putting each binocular for viewing on a big Bogan tripod with a special platform for complete steadiness.

Was there a remarkable difference in what I could see? Not really. The diminutive Nikon 8x23 Diplomat did quite well, particularly in 50% of the field. If you have not had experience with either the 8x23 or 10x25 Diplomats, you should. Under ordinary viewing conditions, their performance is startling.

As could be expected the old Bushnells were a little bit washed out in color, but the detail held up with the newer stuff, giving me the opinion that it is in the coatings that the real improvements have been made.The 8x40 Featherlight IF was the most comfortable binocular to my eyes. Of course the 5mm exit pupil helps with that.

The Fujinons were very bright. The Leupold Cascade 8x42 were the brightest of the whole lot, suggesting that extra objective lens diameter does make a difference. The extra magnification of the Celestron Regal LX 10x42 really made a difference. Greater detail. These discontinued binoculars can be purchased occasionally on ebay for no more than $175. An incredible buy in IMO.

How about my beloved Nikon 8x32 SEs and Zeiss Fl 8x32? More field with resolution holding better across the field, with the SEs slightly sharper on the very edge.

And the inexpensive Leupold 6x30? Surprisingly bright with excellent center resolution.
Most people would be suspect of the old Bushnell Featherweights. I'm not. The 8x30 appears to be a Zeiss clone without the chassis percision of the Zeiss. The 8x40 is simply amazing for its age, particularly when I picked it up for $15. These old IF binoculars are nearly waterproof and seem to hold their collimation better than the CF models. Perhaps my Bushnell 8x40 Featherweight IF was made on Monday.

The view through the Fujinon 8x30 with its oversize prisms is wonderful, but it is the most awkward binocular for me to hold.

My conclusion. We optics aficionados could easily be accused of trying to debate how many angles can dance on a pin.

Only a retired guy like me can play around with bioculars so much.
John
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Opps! the word is the second from last sentence is suppose to be angels. I don't use spell check, and that transpositional error wouldn't be pick up anyway. John
 

FrankD

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Only a retired guy like me can play around with bioculars so much.
John

Heaven help me when I retire.....

;)

Nice post as always John.

The Leupold Cascade porro was really the brightest....over the SE and FL? Hmm, interesting. I would have thought the better coatings/superior design of those two would have trumped the larger objective diameter of the Cascade porros. Go figure.
 

Matt_RTH

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Excellent post, John D. Reminds me of some of the birding groups I've gone out with. It's utterly amazing how some of the best birders use some of the most spartan optics. On a recent trip, there were several biology students using a range of cheap but decent optics and they were calling species as well as anyone. It's great to be a gearhead but some of this stuff sounds like religious fanaticism. Cabin fever maybe?
 

Kevin Conville

yardbirder
It's utterly amazing how some of the best birders use some of the most spartan optics. On a recent trip, there were several biology students using a range of cheap but decent optics and they were calling species as well as anyone.

The best birder I know (and he is good) uses 10x50 Bushnell porros and is happy as a clam with them. He has no trouble making IDs and his ears are worth more than the best field optics available.

I bird some most every day, but I'm still an optics nut. I place a very high value on the aesthetics of the view, like most around here I suppose.

To paraphrase the old miner... "Gold is where you find it"
I recently found gold in the form of $100. used Fujinon 6x30 porros.
 

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Hmm, so have you now found your perfect bin Dennis?

I think I remember your progression to this point...

Nikon LXL 8x32
Leica Trinovid 7x42
Leica Trinovid 8x32
Zeiss 10x42 FL
Swaro 8x32 EL

Am I missing any?


Just bought the Nikon 8x32 SE and they are the best optically and the best view of any thing I have had. Not the best "Package" but I don't care I like the view. Let's see I have also had Nikon 10X42 SE's, Nikon 8X42 LX L's, Nikon 8X20 LX's, Leica Ultravids 8X20's, Leica Trinovids 8X20's, Zeiss 8X30 Conquests, Nikon 8x42 Monarch's and some other assorted cheaper binoculars. Yep, and the Nikon 8x32 SE's are the sharpest of the lot so far.

Dennis
 
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John Dracon

John Dracon
Matt- I'm in the grip of cabin fever squared. Next week the wife and I head to Seattle and the big boat show.

Frank - the Cascade porros being the brightest is of course subjective with my old eyes.

Kevin - your birding expert probably has the Bushnell Custom 10x50m which is a great glass. I suspect the heft gives him steadiness to hold the 10 power. I have friends with that binocular and probably will have to figure out how to keep the kids from fighting
over it when they pass on. The 9x36 custom is also a very good glass.

A few months ago I had my annual eye exam including dialation. At age 73, other than slight astigmatism, I see pretty well, but my pupils stayed dialated after the drops were put in. So I decided to see if I could use my 7x50 old B&Ls (commercial version) when dusk approached. I really could see quite well. But alas the next evening with the same binoculars but shrunk pupils, I couldn't see worth a darn. I believe the navy put their younger sailors on night watch for a reason.

The other day I was looking through a spotting scope at some mallards feeding on the left overs from barley hay fed to cattle in the valley below my home. Without any warning, a golden eagle appeared from nowhere and caught a mallard attempting to take flight. It was quite a sight. As it fed, magpies and ravens walked around the eagle attempting to intimidate it without success. Then another eagle landed close by, and the first eagle relinguished possession. But this drama was interrupted in about ten minutes by an Angus cow, who decided to mosey over and check things out. The eagles flew away, but not the magpies and ravens. Interesting. Eagles in this country have been seen to attack and kill full grown deer and antelope. They have to eat too.

Enjoy your birding fellows.

John
 

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Matt- I'm in the grip of cabin fever squared. Next week the wife and I head to Seattle and the big boat show.

Frank - the Cascade porros being the brightest is of course subjective with my old eyes.

Kevin - your birding expert probably has the Bushnell Custom 10x50m which is a great glass. I suspect the heft gives him steadiness to hold the 10 power. I have friends with that binocular and probably will have to figure out how to keep the kids from fighting
over it when they pass on. The 9x36 custom is also a very good glass.

A few months ago I had my annual eye exam including dialation. At age 73, other than slight astigmatism, I see pretty well, but my pupils stayed dialated after the drops were put in. So I decided to see if I could use my 7x50 old B&Ls (commercial version) when dusk approached. I really could see quite well. But alas the next evening with the same binoculars but shrunk pupils, I couldn't see worth a darn. I believe the navy put their younger sailors on night watch for a reason.

The other day I was looking through a spotting scope at some mallards feeding on the left overs from barley hay fed to cattle in the valley below my home. Without any warning, a golden eagle appeared from nowhere and caught a mallard attempting to take flight. It was quite a sight. As it fed, magpies and ravens walked around the eagle attempting to intimidate it without success. Then another eagle landed close by, and the first eagle relinguished possession. But this drama was interrupted in about ten minutes by an Angus cow, who decided to mosey over and check things out. The eagles flew away, but not the magpies and ravens. Interesting. Eagles in this country have been seen to attack and kill full grown deer and antelope. They have to eat too.

Enjoy your birding fellows.

John


Wow! I would have never thought an eagle could bring down an animal as large as a deer or antelope. But when you are hungry you forget about fear or risk. There was just a a nature show on which showed Lions attacking and killing Elephants because they had nothing else to eat. They had to risk injury or perish. Interesting.

Dennis
 

FrankD

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Wow! I would have never thought an eagle could bring down an animal as large as a deer or antelope. But when you are hungry you forget about fear or risk. There was just a a nature show on which showed Lions attacking and killing Elephants because they had nothing else to eat. They had to risk injury or perish. Interesting.

I am not saying I don't believe it could happen but it seems a bit difficult to believe initially. It reminds of that episode of MonsterQuest on the History Channel where they go in search of giant birds that carry away small children.

;)
 

Kevin Purcell

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Eagles in this country have been seen to attack and kill full grown deer and antelope. They have to eat too.

Whilst I would doubt they'll take anything near a full sized deer I have seen film (from Scotland on the BBC) of Golden Eagles actively harassing Red Deer (swooping and hitting with the talons on the rump) when the deer come rather too close to their nesting area.

This can looking like a swoop for food but it seems to be more of a warning.

I can imagine them trying to take a sick faun. The raptors are sometimes less picky than we think.

Wait this is birding .... ;)
 

teamgs

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Reminds me of a video I saw recently, where a raptor (I forget which type) was dive bombing small mountain goats. It would hit them at speed, clutch them, then drag them off the rocks on which they were perched. After they fell a couple hundred feet to their death, the raptor would simply fly down and eat them.

Kind of fascinating and gruesome at the same time.

**EDIT** I found the video, and it was Golden Eagles doing the hunting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7FFlFy8eM

Be forewarned, some might find it a little graphic.


NOW...Back to the original post...I have yet to compare my SE's to a binocular I like any better.

Gary
 
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Kevin Purcell

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I think the original comment to which I responded was full grown "deer" ... and I have actually seen footage of them harassing full sized Red Deer but not driving them off cliffs or otherwise attacking them with intention to eat.

Both examples show a Golden Eagle going after small deer (perhaps 3 foot or so given the wing span of the GOEA compared to the animal with the falconer in Central Europe) and similarly with the (female? kid? no horns) Spanish goat (though the footage in the later is very nicely shot) it's perhaps 1m long or so.

That's not a full-sized deer to me ;)
 
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FrankD

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I really need to get an update computer. Trying to load youtube here at home takes hours...seriously...and at work it is blocked.

Getting way off topic... :) ...but I don't doubt an eagle could pick up a fawn but a full-sized whitetail?
 

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