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Wyver Lane Nature Reserve (DWT) (4 Viewers)

Thanks everyone for input, especially since my highlighting the current state of the place. I have been in touch with a friend at DWT to find the best person to email. I will pick the salient points out of this conversation and send it to them. They suggested copying in the Chief Exec who's email I also have. It wont be a "complaint" style more a case of highlighting whats been said/suggested for their benefit, and ultimately ours.
I have been visiting the reserve since 1986, and more frequently in the last 20 years since moving close by. I think on the face of it something needs to be said and so I do think its a good place to start. You are right John there are a small but consistent group of people who care very much for the place and would love to see it restored to former glories.
I will let you know what the reaction is and if copying any text above will take names etc out.
Hope thats ok?

Dan, I also thought about copying many of the posts here or parts of and forwarding them to the DWT. I haven't got a problem with it so if that's what you want to do then carry on by all means.

Also thanks to all for the comments so far.
 
Makes a change to read a positive thread and I dont mind being called a young gun8-P maybe invite the DWT down our way see if it can help matters all the best a 43 year old young gun :t:

Sincere apologies Vern it was a combination of your youthful enthusiam, photographic skills and username plus the number of younger members depicted in the 'workparty' photos' posted that led me to the wrong assumption. If it's any consilation my son is a piece older than you but I still consider him my 'little lad'. ;) The point I was trying to make was the spectrum of ages and contributions by the 'Upton' Crew for the common good is something ALL the Wildlife Trusts/ Voluntary Organisations should aspire to.
Then in later years us 'wrinklies and less abled bodied', with reasonable site access, could still contibute by way of recording and alerting others to decent birds 'dropping in' making the 'workers' efforts more fulfilling and site records more comprehensive. (although I would assume not much gets missed at Upton).
 
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I defer to virtually every contributor to this site on matters ornithological but when it comes to stirring up a bit of a rumpus I have a certain amount of experience that might be useful. It is doubtful whether the people who dictate policy at the DWT are regular readers of this forum but I wonder if they would be able to maintain such a lofty distance from your concerns if their failings were made known in the local media; eg a critical story in the Belper News, the Derby Tel and Radio Derby. Accusing an organisation ostensibly committed to the interests of wildlife of compromising the diversity of the Wyver Lane reserve and ignoring expressions of concern would make good copy if properly presented. After a working lifetime as a journalist, columnist and, more recently, publicity adviser, I still have some useful contacts in the media and would be happy to work up a story addressing this issue and attempt to place it if enough people felt it would be worthwhile.

That is a very generous and positive offer Neil, for those who are unaware I was an avid reader of your DCFC 'columns' some 40 years ago and found your journalism to be open, honest (within certain constraints) and passionate.
In respect of your 'deferring', birding is available to all levels and, over the years, quite a number of the Counties decent birds have been found by dog walkers, golfers etc; who have only had a 'mild' interest. Unfortunately most of us, like you, are 'bus pass' users and only want a quite life in order to pursue our hobby but whereas in the 'old days' the DWT reserves where basically left untouched they are now 'stock' fenced denying access to areas we have visited for years, especially the latter ones (Woodside and Erewash Meadows). Personally I've 'thrown in the towel' with respect to the reserves and have digressed into all aspects of wildlife recorded within a c500 yard radius of home, which in effect is a fresh start and a new lease of life and I am finding it extremely rewarding, but am still a novice in respect of Butterflies, Odonata, Insects, Plants etc; so in effect we have parallels even though I have been a lifelong birder. :t:
 
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Email has gone, with editing of names and choice language (!), simply cos the main recipient is a lady..........
Will copy reply on to here assuming we have one.
 
Sincere apologies Vern it was a combination of your youthful enthusiam, photographic skills and username plus the number of younger members depicted in the 'workparty' photos' posted that led me to the wrong assumption. If it's any consilation my son is a piece older than you but I still consider him my 'little lad'. ;) The point I was trying to make was the spectrum of ages and contributions by the 'Upton' Crew for the common good is something ALL the Wildlife Trusts/ Voluntary Organisations should aspire to.
Then in later years us 'wrinklies and less abled bodied', with reasonable site access, could still contibute by way of recording and alerting others to decent birds 'dropping in' making the 'workers' efforts more fulfilling and site records more comprehensive. (although I would assume not much gets missed at Upton).
no need for apologies pal all taken in fun this end, but thank you anyway :t:
 
Holding email from CEO so hope more to follow as she promises.....

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your email. We are always interested to hear what out members think.
I will look into the detail of the comments and respond in more detail in due course.

In the meantime please be reassured that we manage all of our reserves according to a management plan which aims to manage the area for wildlife and for people, to the best of our ability with the resources we have available.
I hope you and your members will continue to visit and appreciate our wonderful reserves.
Kind regards,

Jo

Dr. Jo Smith
Chief Executive
Derbyshire Wildlife Trust
 
A little progress down Wyver. The mound is much better that it was. Some of the vegetation has been cut down so you can at least see the upper pool....although there's absolutely nothing on it. And I have it on good authority that the rest will be done on Monday. As will the tree next to the hide and the island will be strimmed. I wait with baited breath.

A quick visit this evening and Teal have increased markedly. A count of 80 is good with it still being August and shows the importance of Wyver for this species. Also 6 Shoveler, a Gadwall, 30 Mallards and 7 Tufties.

70 Lapwings are still managing to hang on to what shallow water there is. And a single Snipe is my first of the autumn here. 65 Swallows moving through south along with 10 House Martins.

The only raptor was a single Kestrel. 2 Stockies on the wires. Both Green Wood and G.S. Wood. A female Pheasant with 6 well grown young. Chiffchaff, Jay and a site rare Greenfinch.
 
Have DWT been reading this thread? At WGP yesterday morning a tractor arrived and they started mowing the cow field, something they've been telling us they were going to do for ages (don't think it has ever been done before, or at least for some years). A lot of breath being baited Dave.
 
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Have DWT been reading this thread? At WGP yesterday morning a tractor arrived and they started mowing the cow field, something they've been telling us they were going to do for ages (don't think it has ever been done before, or at least for some years). A lot of breath being baited Dave.

Hi John, no but I have been in email with Dr Jo Smith and she promised some immediate action. She was very interested in what this thread said. I will copy the full reply on......
 
Dear Dan,

Firstly thanks for your patience. As you may be aware I have only been in post for 3 months and so I wanted to ensure I had talked to the team members involved before replying.

Its great to have people who care about our reserves and our wildlife, and I am pleased that you came to us with your views and opinions.

All our reserves are managed through a small team of reserves officers, who each look after around 10 sites and who all work very hard to manage our reserves according to detailed 5 year management plans. We are a charity with limited resources, and a charity very dependent on the support and help of our members and volunteers as well as the dedication and passion of our staff team. We work with volunteers and volunteer teams to deliver much of the practical work on reserves. We also rely heavily on grant funding to fund much of the work identified within these plans. We are not funding led – we use some of the various grants available, where appropriate, to deliver the work which we have agreed through our 5 year strategic plan and annual business planning processes. The lack of resources frustrates the reserves staff as much as yourselves and we constantly stretch our resources as far as we can to ensure we get maximum biodiversity gain.


With this in mind, we are always keen to get feedback from our visitors as we don’t have the time to be on every site every day; we rely on our visitors to act as our day to day “eyes and ears” to let us know of problems as well as wildlife sightings. When issues are reported to us, for example the hedge at Wyver Lane (which was put in a few years ago to provide screening) becoming overgrown and obstructing views, we can usually put things right.

We have an email address for the organisation; [email protected]. Any problems or issues should be sent to this address so that they can be passed on to the correct person for action. If action is not appropriate we can then explain why. Conservation is a tricky balance and often the views and desires of one set of visitors or volunteers is in direct opposition to another audience or the overall management plans for the site. Therefore we can’t please everybody all of the time, but we do try to accommodate as many ideas and opinions as possible.

Grazing is an essential part of managing wildlife rich sites. It is interesting to hear the comments about Woodside. In addition to a wildlife-rich countryside, conservation grazing can deliver substantial benefits to local communities. Local production of good quality meat and dairy produce with high welfare standards is a key outcome for our conservation grazing. Visitors to grazed sites with public access often enjoy watching free-ranging animals, and in some cases enjoy becoming involved as voluntary stock checkers, helping to keep an eye on livestock. So conservation grazing is not just optimized biodiversity, but looking forward to ways in which sustainable management of the countryside will benefit both the wildlife and the communities who live there. At Woodside, over time, we aim to demonstrate these benefits and encourage the local community to gain a better understanding of where there food comes from and the impacts of intensive farming on wildlife.

Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch, and please do encourage members of the forum to feed in their comments directly via the address above in future.

Kind regards,

Jo

Dr. Jo Smith
Chief Executive
Derbyshire Wildlife Trust
 
Dear Dan,

Firstly thanks for your patience. As you may be aware I have only been in post for 3 months and so I wanted to ensure I had talked to the team members involved before replying.

Its great to have people who care about our reserves and our wildlife, and I am pleased that you came to us with your views and opinions.

All our reserves are managed through a small team of reserves officers, who each look after around 10 sites and who all work very hard to manage our reserves according to detailed 5 year management plans. We are a charity with limited resources, and a charity very dependent on the support and help of our members and volunteers as well as the dedication and passion of our staff team. We work with volunteers and volunteer teams to deliver much of the practical work on reserves. We also rely heavily on grant funding to fund much of the work identified within these plans. We are not funding led – we use some of the various grants available, where appropriate, to deliver the work which we have agreed through our 5 year strategic plan and annual business planning processes. The lack of resources frustrates the reserves staff as much as yourselves and we constantly stretch our resources as far as we can to ensure we get maximum biodiversity gain.


With this in mind, we are always keen to get feedback from our visitors as we don’t have the time to be on every site every day; we rely on our visitors to act as our day to day “eyes and ears” to let us know of problems as well as wildlife sightings. When issues are reported to us, for example the hedge at Wyver Lane (which was put in a few years ago to provide screening) becoming overgrown and obstructing views, we can usually put things right.

We have an email address for the organisation; [email protected]. Any problems or issues should be sent to this address so that they can be passed on to the correct person for action. If action is not appropriate we can then explain why. Conservation is a tricky balance and often the views and desires of one set of visitors or volunteers is in direct opposition to another audience or the overall management plans for the site. Therefore we can’t please everybody all of the time, but we do try to accommodate as many ideas and opinions as possible.

Grazing is an essential part of managing wildlife rich sites. It is interesting to hear the comments about Woodside. In addition to a wildlife-rich countryside, conservation grazing can deliver substantial benefits to local communities. Local production of good quality meat and dairy produce with high welfare standards is a key outcome for our conservation grazing. Visitors to grazed sites with public access often enjoy watching free-ranging animals, and in some cases enjoy becoming involved as voluntary stock checkers, helping to keep an eye on livestock. So conservation grazing is not just optimized biodiversity, but looking forward to ways in which sustainable management of the countryside will benefit both the wildlife and the communities who live there. At Woodside, over time, we aim to demonstrate these benefits and encourage the local community to gain a better understanding of where there food comes from and the impacts of intensive farming on wildlife.

Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch, and please do encourage members of the forum to feed in their comments directly via the address above in future.

Kind regards,

Jo

Dr. Jo Smith
Chief Executive
Derbyshire Wildlife Trust

Typical reply of rhetoric without reality, a charity with limited funds does not spend thousands of pounds to have 'miles' of fencing installed by contractors with a further substantial amount for the purchase of stock.

Selling meat and dairy products for the good of the local community? who benefits from this commercial enterprise? certainly not the 'locals' I have spoken to who maintain the DWT's acquisition of Woodside is a retrospective step in respect of wildlife, but the reply exudes the virtues of farming.

Although thousands can be spent on the farm, including the 'superbarn', how many hides are there at Woodside and Erewash Meadows? Zero!

At least some work has been carried out to placate the contrarians so Dave should be a bit happier at Wyver and John at Willington.

After birding the Woodside area for some 60 years (started work at the colliery when I was 15) I think the time has come for a tactical withdrawal so whatever is done will be of no consequence to my emotions.

Who knows maybe when the 'farm' fails they can always open a theme park ;)
 
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Thanks Dan for sharing the feedback.

Would have replied earlier but this is first opportunity.

Let's see what happens over the next few months as certainly WGP needs a lot of work during the winter months (much more than in the past few years) to get it in any type of shape to keep the local birders happy.
 
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Re my recent post re mowing the cow field at WGP. According to one of the DWT field guys today they didn't do the mowing, he believes it was the farmer who's cows are in the field. So it could be that DWT have actually done nowt or giving them the possible benefit of the doubt they asked the farmer to do it.
 
The tree next to the hide has been completely butchered, which is what it needed TBH. They must have spent some time doing it which is probably why the mound hasn't been done or the island strimmed. Hopefully they'll be back soon to finish off.
 
I've just received my regular magazines etc from my membership. Interesting to look at the Annual Review. Has wrong CEO detailed! Considering the amount of assets (cash and staff) the Trust holds its surprising that habitat management appears to have slipped. Staff costs would be interesting given the number of staff the Trust has, doesn't jump out to me as not an accountant. Indeed it would be interesting to know how much of each membership pound actually goes to conservation activities (doubt it will differ from many charities). I don't usually look at these things but the debate on habitat management led me to do so.

Phil
 
An update from Wyver. As I said before the tree next to the hide has been cut back. The mound and the island and several other jobs are going to be carried out this coming Thursday.

On the birding front I had a couple of visits during the past week. On Monday I had 3 Grey Herons, 10 Gadwall, 118 Teal, 6 Shoveler, 75 Lapwings and great views of an adult Hobby hawking insects above the main pool.

On Thursday I had 109 Greylags, 12 Gadwall, 126 Teal, 5 Shoveler, 94 Lapwings, 2 Snipe, a couple of Chiffies and a Goldcrest.

Now we're into mid September I plan to get down there a few mornings a week for a bit of viz migging.
 
Red Breasted Goose, Wyver

Dave called to say he picked this up with the Greylags behind the hide.
Turns out its been there two days at least according to the hide log.
We watched it for a while and no sign of rings.
Nice to see even if its origin is at best suspect.

I know Roland loves this kind of thing on the Derbyshire list ;-)
 

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Nice shots, Dan. Much better than my efforts. Also of note on Tuesday was a site record count of 21 Gadwall. Quite an incredible count for such a small reserve. Also Tuesday was 112 Greylag Geese, 143 Teal, 2 Wigeon, 8 Shoveler, 146 Mallards 91 Lapwings, a Snipe, 73 BH gulls, Kingfisher and 3 Chiffies.

A couple of hours down there yesterday morning with Chris. The Red breasted Goose was still there. 195 Mallards, 146 Teal, 9 Shoveler, 9 Gadwall, 91 Lapwings, 5 Snipe, 4 Stock Doves, c100 Starlings, 8 Mistle Thrush and a Goldcrest.

The Teal counts are encouraging. The site record is 175 in November 2011 so numbers may not have peaked yet. And with 146 already it's looking quite promising.
 
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