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Message: <blockquote data-quote="oracleman" data-source="post: 3472477" data-attributes="member: 121328">I have used the Olympus pci 8x24 and I know it's not like a full size bin. There are compromises with the compact size. The Olympus are great on value and price. I hope that Zeiss will be equal (if no better) than the Olympus because Zeiss are water resistant and more compact. I think they at little wider too. But it's true that it's important a decent wide view. The kowa 6x30 have decent quality and respectables 400m at 1000m.  Very easy to find birds, but again no compact at all. As I said before, compactness has it compromises. Regards</blockquote>