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Zeiss 10x40 SFL - Roger Vine's Review (2 Viewers)

b-lilja

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I find the supposition in his review that somehow Japanese manufacture means disposable quality makes zero sense to me. The SFLs are as well built as anything out there it seems to me, certainly as good as the SFs.
 

Ratal

Well-known member
I find the supposition in his review that somehow Japanese manufacture means disposable quality makes zero sense to me. The SFLs are as well built as anything out there it seems to me, certainly as good as the SFs.
"Zeiss didn’t actually build them so can they repair them?"

Man has a point - who repairs a set? Do Zeiss have the knowledge or ability in house or will they need sending overseas to Japan?


That said? I'd buy 'Made in japan' any day of the week. In fact, my Opticron kit is just that!
 

Swissboy

Sempach, Switzerland
Supporter
Switzerland
"Zeiss didn’t actually build them so can they repair them?"

Man has a point - who repairs a set? Do Zeiss have the knowledge or ability in house or will they need sending overseas to Japan?


That said? I'd buy 'Made in japan' any day of the week. In fact, my Opticron kit is just that!
With a bit of broadening of our horizons, we will realize that Japan has for a long time been synonymous with highest quality when it came to cameras. So no need to put a question mark with respect to "can they do it?"
 

Ted Y.

Forum member
Supporter
Canada
From the review: "Zeiss didn’t actually build them so can they repair them?"
Some charged question. Do the author knows some untold realities?
It is a Zeiss assumed binocular (can be made in Germany, Japan, or China), Zeiss is in charge for the warranty.
The technology/knowledge to repair/maintain is different from the technology/knowledge to build.
 

William Lewis

Wishing birdwatching paid the bills.
United Kingdom
I've got a lot of time for Roger Vines reviews, god knows I've probably read most of them!

I think he makes fair points based in his recent experience with returning a zeiss but made in Japan product (in this case the pockets) as well as acknowledging that they are better made than other zeiss products, no slating of Japanese build quality, if anything the opposite.

Having had a go with the SFL's I didn't see much to disagree with in there.
 

Ted Y.

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Supporter
Canada
Having had a go with the SFL's I didn't see much to disagree with in there.
To much mystery for me. What is the issue for models made in Japan?
You must send the binocular in Japan? (and fill a lot of customs forms without any error nor omission and pay something?)
You send the binocular in UK and it is resended to Japan with surface mail?
Something else?
 

crinklystarfish

Well-known member
Having had a go with the SFL's I didn't see much to disagree with in there

Optically, I (mostly) didn't either: though the CA was a little more obvious in my case (from about 60% out).

I also remain of the view that there's often been something of a slight tendency to overstate the optical attributes of the x40 SFLs and the infographic referred to above reminds me of the impressive optical performance of the Victory Pocket range.

Through my VP 10x25 I really do see the nuances of whites and blacks evocatively attributed to SFLs: as well as fantastically neutral colour rendition and very impressive resolution. I'm personally not convinced that SFLs are quite up to VP levels of performance in these particular regards.
 

William Lewis

Wishing birdwatching paid the bills.
United Kingdom
CA is a strange one. I'm quite sensitive to it and notice it in virtually all binoculars and although the best seem to make it largely undetectable centre field it does creep in the closer you get to the edge in most, usually at a much higher rate than field curvature. The only roof models that seem to have it properly under wraps throughout the field are the kowa genesis - that's the difference between proper flourite and high flourite content glass I suppose.

Interestingly I find good quality porro's seem to control ca better accross more of the field than roofs, I put this down to less glass elements in the design and possibly longer focal length (probably going to be corrected on this though!) in porro's of 40mm and above. Generally the length is similar to roofs but the lights doing more mileage through the prisms, Schmidt pechans do seem quite small in comparison.
 

tenex

reality-based
I also remain of the view that there's often been something of a slight tendency to overstate the optical attributes of the x40 SFL
A slight understatement.

Interestingly I find good quality porro's seem to control ca better accross more of the field than roofs, I put this down to less glass elements in the design and possibly longer focal length
Besides the typically shorter focal lengths of roof models, an internal focusing lens contributes to more CA.
 

Troubador

Moderator
Staff member
Supporter
To much mystery for me. What is the issue for models made in Japan?
You must send the binocular in Japan? (and fill a lot of customs forms without any error nor omission and pay something?)
You send the binocular in UK and it is resended to Japan with surface mail?
Something else?
Zeiss have clarified the position regarding service and repair of SFL models:

In EU: Send directly to Wetzlar

In UK: Send to East-Coast-Binocular

In USA: Send to Hebron KY

Lee
 

tenex

reality-based
Of course that doesn't address whether they then send it on to Japan, or simply replace rather than repairing. But I expect one can feel confident of being properly taken care of in any case.
 

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