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Zeiss SFL 8x40, A Field Review (15 Viewers)

What about dawn/dusk and murky days
I am happy with a 32mm's performance during these conditions. Remember, the advantage given by a 42mm is measured in minutes not hours, so I definitely prefer the lighter weight/smaller bulk/bigger fov combination offered by SF8x32 during the main part of the day, even under murky skies.

Lee
 
I am happy with a 32mm's performance during these conditions. Remember, the advantage given by a 42mm is measured in minutes not hours, so I definitely prefer the lighter weight/smaller bulk/bigger fov combination offered by SF8x32 during the main part of the day, even under murky skies.

Lee
Do you notice much difference in eye placement comfort between the SF8x32 and the SFL 8x40? The bigger exit pupil is supposed to be one of the big advantages of the SFL because of the better eye placement comfort. So for your uses you prefer the SF 8x32 over the SFL8x40 for daytime use and if price wasn't a factor you would buy the SF 8x32 over the SFL 8x40. So it sounds like most people would be better off getting a used SF 8x32 for about $1800-2000 versus a new SFL 8x40 for mostly daytime use.
 
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Do you notice much difference in eye placement comfort between the SF8x32 and the SFL 8x40? The bigger exit pupil is supposed to be one of the big advantages of the SFL because of the better eye placement comfort. So for your uses you prefer the SF 8x32 over the SFL8x40 for daytime use and if price wasn't a factor you would buy the SF 8x32 over the SFL 8x40. So it sounds like most people would be better off getting a used SF 8x32 for about $1800-2000 versus a new SFL 8x40 for mostly daytime use.
Its not quite as straightforward as that. For sure I didn't have difficulty with eye placement with either SF or SFL (I wear spectacles all the time) but just because I was fine it doesn't guarantee that others will be. Also, SFL's colour reproduction is beautiful and some folks may prefer it to SF while others may prefer the slimmer tubes of SF32. There are so many factors requiring very personal decisions.

Lee
 
I am happy with a 32mm's performance during these conditions. Remember, the advantage given by a 42mm is measured in minutes not hours, so I definitely prefer the lighter weight/smaller bulk/bigger fov combination offered by SF8x32 during the main part of the day, even under murky skies.

Lee
Often here at Birdforum, the exit pupil advantage, (independent of ease of view), is described as Lee does here, as something that kicks in at the ends of the day. My experience, maybe belief, is that it also counts looking into heavily wooded, shaded, scenarios or say, staring into and beyond the curling grasses overhanging the mud edge of a salt marsh, hoping to see that Ridgway Rail scurrying along, at any time of day.

This seems apparent enough to me going from 825 Pockets to 1042 ELs. I get a case could be made the ELs would be superior to the Pockets, as good as they are, independent of EP. It'd be fun to read of someone's experience comparing a good modern 32 to these SFLs in conditions like that.
 
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My SF 8X32 “sees better” into shaded areas than my bare eyeballs do.

I am able to distinguish objects in what is just a darkly shadowed area to my eyes, with nothing distinguishable.

(after sunset, but only dark looking into the woods)
 
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Often here at Birdforum, the exit pupil advantage, (independent of ease of view), is described as Lee does here, as something that kicks in at the ends of the day. My experience, maybe belief, is that it also counts looking into heavily wooded, shaded, scenarios or say, staring into and beyond the curling grasses overhanging the mud edge of a salt marsh, hoping to see that Ridgway Rail scurrying along, at any time of day.

This seems apparent enough to me going from 825 Pockets to 1042 ELs...
I wonder if your experience isn't more a matter of superior contrast in the view through the larger bin, or a result of its larger oculars and eyecups blocking light around the eye better. I always wear a hat when birding to shade my eyes, which I find is especially important with pocket bins. They also can benefit tremendously from addition of oversized accessory eyecups.

--AP
 
Often here at Birdforum, the exit pupil advantage, (independent of ease of view), is described as Lee does here, as something that kicks in at the ends of the day. My experience, maybe belief, is that it also counts looking into heavily wooded, shaded, scenarios or say, staring into and beyond the curling grasses overhanging the mud edge of a salt marsh, hoping to see that Ridgway Rail scurrying along, at any time of day.

This seems apparent enough to me going from 825 Pockets to 1042 ELs. I get a case could be made the ELs would be superior to the Pockets, as good as they are, independent of EP. It'd be fun to read of someone's experience comparing a good modern 32 to these SFLs in conditions like that.
I notice that also. Anytime you are under canopy or in a heavily wooded forest, the bigger aperture 40 mm will outperform the smaller aperture 32 mm. If you bird, for example under the canopy in Costa Rica, you definitely want the 40 mm versus the 32 mm. Most peoples eye's will at least dilate to 5 mm, so the 40 mm will help you to see into the shadows. Lee is not using his SF 8x32 under canopy, but rather out in open country. If he did, he would see that the SFL 8x40 would perform better. In open country and in daylight, the SF 8x32 would probably be better, but under a canopy or in a shaded forest or at twilight the SFL 8x40 would win. Which binocular would work better for you would depend on how you use it. For me, after using a lot of different 8x32's and 8x42's I find the 8x42 to have a big advantage in eye placement comfort and low light performance. An 8x42 or in this case an 8x40 will be way less finicky than an 8x32.
 
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A little more info on build quality, external product finishes and detailing would have raised this from an 8X10 rated review to 9.5X10.

It’s the area of production where IMHO the “Big 3” are starting to let things slip, so the more honest & informed assessments of this consideration the better.

LGM
 
A little more info on build quality, external product finishes and detailing would have raised this from an 8X10 rated review to 9.5X10.

It’s the area of production where IMHO the “Big 3” are starting to let things slip, so the more honest & informed assessments of this consideration the better.

LGM
I agree with you. It is hard to compare the highest offerings of the big 3, comparing new and current models.
Zeiss is the latest to offer an offering in this area. The SFL looks to be another one to enter the arena.
We don't know long term the quality of how these may compare.
 
My SF 8X32 “sees better” into shaded areas than my bare eyeballs do.

I am able to distinguish objects in what is just a darkly shadowed area to my eyes, with nothing distinguishable.

(after sunset, but only dark looking into the woods)
I found the same effect some years ago when surveying populations of Water Voles and using HT 8x42 to look for signs of their droppings, trackways and cropped vegetation in the darkness of overhanging banks and vegetation next to streams.

Lee
 
A little more info on build quality, external product finishes and detailing would have raised this from an 8X10 rated review to 9.5X10.

It’s the area of production where IMHO the “Big 3” are starting to let things slip, so the more honest & informed assessments of this consideration the better.

LGM
Fair comment LGM.

I did mention this: "The dioptre adjustment wheel is sited on the right-hand optical tube and it worked well. It is not locking, but during intensive use during the 3-week review period, the setting was completely reliable, as were the eyecup positions, despite the indignity of the binocular being regularly laid on while I was prone (and shuffling about) taking close-up photos of flowers, moths and other subjects". From the last part of that sentence I hoped readers would gather that I did not treat these binos with special gentleness for the 3 weeks I had them. They were used intensively and I am pleased to report that after a bit of cleaning up they were returned to Zeiss with no marks or scratches or scuffs on the exterior or lenses, and the eyecups felt as well-made as they did at the beginning of the loan period. To me SFL felt tough and resilient and certainly as well-built as their retail price would suggest.

If you were wondering what kind of subjects I was photographing while laying on top of the binos, take a look at the pics below. First photo is of a group of Pale Butterworts and the second is of a female Drinker Moth.

Lee

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Does the SFL have Schott glass? I didn’t see it advertised as such. Also are these noticeably clearer than the Conquests HD?
 
Sharpness and contrast are excellent but the SFL’s trump card is its amazing presentation of colours.

Just as a side note on Lee's finding.

I find the sharpness and contrast of the SFL very satisfactory, but just wondered how good the SFL would perform on the USAF 51 compared to other good binos: SF 8x42, NL Pure 8x42, Noctivid 8x42, Nikon Monarch HG 8x42. Just "for fun", I also added the Kowa BD II 8x42.

Warning: the following is an academic exercise to satisfy my endless curiosity and bears no relevance for birding or nature observation practice.

Setup:
  • USAF 51, printed format A4
  • Observation distance: 10.0 m
  • Each bino with 2.5x and 4x booster (which gives 20x and 32x magnifications) on left tube

Findings:
a) With the 2.5x booster, the limit for all binoculars was target C4 (see attached pic), which is the 4th in the second smallest pattern. Exception: Kowa BD II, which had a limit a C3
b) With the 4x booster, the limit for all binoculars was target C6 (see attached pic), which is the 6th and last in the second smallest pattern. Exception: Kowa BD II, which had a limit a C5
c) 9 None of the binos allowed me to clearly identify the even smaller pattern which is also printed on the USAF
d) If I had to make a ranking of the ease with which I could identify target C6 with the 4x booster, it would be as follows ("best" to "worst")
  • SF 8x42
  • Noctivid
  • NL Pure
  • Nikon Monarch HG
  • SFL
Those were all relatively close together; for my eyes, the "alphas" and the MHG were just slightly ahead of the SFL.

The Kowa was clearly a step behind all the others, but at 1/4 of the price of the SFL, it did remarkably well.

fwiw Canip
 

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A little more info on build quality, external product finishes and detailing would have raised this from an 8X10 rated review to 9.5X10.

It’s the area of production where IMHO the “Big 3” are starting to let things slip, so the more honest & informed assessments of this consideration the better.

LGM
LGM,

I wonder if you could elaborate on your last sentence. What brings you to this conclusion?

Thanks
G'Tom
 
Just as a side note on Lee's finding.

I find the sharpness and contrast of the SFL very satisfactory, but just wondered how good the SFL would perform on the USAF 51 compared to other good binos: SF 8x42, NL Pure 8x42, Noctivid 8x42, Nikon Monarch HG 8x42. Just "for fun", I also added the Kowa BD II 8x42.

Warning: the following is an academic exercise to satisfy my endless curiosity and bears no relevance for birding or nature observation practice.

Setup:
  • USAF 51, printed format A4
  • Observation distance: 10.0 m
  • Each bino with 2.5x and 4x booster (which gives 20x and 32x magnifications) on left tube

Findings:
a) With the 2.5x booster, the limit for all binoculars was target C4 (see attached pic), which is the 4th in the second smallest pattern. Exception: Kowa BD II, which had a limit a C3
b) With the 4x booster, the limit for all binoculars was target C6 (see attached pic), which is the 6th and last in the second smallest pattern. Exception: Kowa BD II, which had a limit a C5
c) 9 None of the binos allowed me to clearly identify the even smaller pattern which is also printed on the USAF
d) If I had to make a ranking of the ease with which I could identify target C6 with the 4x booster, it would be as follows ("best" to "worst")
  • SF 8x42
  • Noctivid
  • NL Pure
  • Nikon Monarch HG
  • SFL
Those were all relatively close together; for my eyes, the "alphas" and the MHG were just slightly ahead of the SFL.

The Kowa was clearly a step behind all the others, but at 1/4 of the price of the SFL, it did remarkably well.

fwiw Canip
Canip, I have no clue, sorry, with what youve done here. I know of the USAF chart. What are these boosters youve employed? Some sort of magnifying lens you put in front of bino ocular? Did you go to the boosters cuz you couldn't detect any differences without them? Or, did you use boosters because of the "short" 10m distance? Just curious.

G'Tom
 
Is the pricing too steep on these? I mean if I bought one I would always be thinking I could have had a Noctivid for a little more money!
 
Thanks Dennis, I have briefly held the Noctivid and for sure it's a beast, I wasn't too happy with the focuser so far back either. I do however love the Leica picture and wonder about this dream world you speak of.
I have had the Ultravids 7/8/10 and I was impressed with the 10x most. I also want to get hold of an EDG but they are hard to come by at a good price here.
I need to look through this SFL first, go from there.
 
Canip, I have no clue, sorry, with what youve done here. I know of the USAF chart. What are these boosters youve employed? Some sort of magnifying lens you put in front of bino ocular? Did you go to the boosters cuz you couldn't detect any differences without them? Or, did you use boosters because of the "short" 10m distance? Just curious.

G'Tom
G‘Tom,
Without booster, the differences between different models would be hardly recognizable. Unless you include some really bad binoculars in your tests, you will find that all the tested models perform more or less the same way on the USAF. Resolution of binoculars is generally not that great, compared to a good scope, but for the human eye, resolution looks fine. With the booster, you will relatively easily see the differences between good models and outstanding ones. Boosters are monoculars which you position behind the eyepieces of the binocular; I use models from Kite Optics and Zeiss with magnifications of 2.5x, 4x and 6x.
 
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