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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Larry Sweetland" data-source="post: 1238866" data-attributes="member: 27337">To get round the having to id it "problem", I find snorkeling great, cos you can just appreciete the stuff without bothering to HAVE to id it. Like birding underwater without the "sickness". I mentioned to Will Duckworth earlier on our trip that I, like many other British birders, had got into dragonflies, which of course would involve identifying and listing them. He said that he was determined to not get into them so there would be at least something he could just appreciate without having to try and identify the bloody thing.On the positive side though, I find even trying to id birds involves just a succession of moments where you are actually in the now, until the thought processes start to consider a visual image, or "feature", seen a microsecond earlier etc. So there can be something zen even in the being a birder part of birding.  Is that vaguely relevent to the sort of thing you mean H?</blockquote>