BirdForum is the net's largest birding community dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE!

Register for an account to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankD" data-source="post: 1562873" data-attributes="member: 18544">AP,You know me....I wouldn't BS you about this type of issue. I call it as I see it. The interesting part about the comment I quoted above is I don't see the crescent in that situation either.I consider myself gifted in that sense. Some things to ponder though.....1. This reminds me of being similar to the "blackout issue" with the Nikon SE 8x32s. I don't see the blackout issue with those either and I believe that had to do with how the bins are used/the level of eye relief/facial dimensions.2. I cannot use the Nikon E2 8x30 because of the same issue...facial features, eye relief and IPD adjustment.....without removing the rubber eyecups.3....and here is an interesting point for discussion. The 8x43 Zen ED Gen 1's have been around for a good 8 months now. The Promaster EDs have been around for about a year. The Hawke Frontier EDs have been around for close to 10 months or better. The Atlas Optics Intrepid EDs have been around for about two months. In all of that time and with all of the several thousand (I am guessing) units that have been sold do you remember seeing anything mentioned about this type of issue with any of these bins except maybe in a passing remark about stray light here and there?It is funny. You would think it would have popped up sooner if it was that significant.As for talking about the wide field of view and easy of view....good question. Truth be told I find a bit more "wow factor" with the 8x43s though chalk that up to my preferring larger objective combinations (slightly brighter image and better edge sharpness in this comparison). If I wasn't comparing the 7x36 directly to the 8x43 I have to believe that I would be getting more of a wow factor from it. It does not quite give me the 'wow...wide field" of something like your Nikon E2 if that is what you are after. I believe that is probably because of the level and type of edge "distortion" that is present. Yes, the E2 has edge distortion but the two are not the same.  I certainly cannot find fault with the image it provides. I really have not given it enough of a workout at this point to form a full opinion of it. I have been swamped with reviews/comparisons in the last week and a half....Atlas Optics models, Celestron 80 mm F-ED scope, various eyepieces with it, the Kruger Optical Malheur scope and the little Meopta Meostar 8x32s.I will spend more intensive time with them over the next day or two and post something this weekend.</blockquote>

Verification