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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yippeekiay" data-source="post: 1679761" data-attributes="member: 72355">Is it out of the question to continue to improve on the roof models while simultaneously trying your hand at making a decent porro? There are after all more than 1 designers around, No?I think maybe people latched on to the whole "reinventing the wheel" idea. Yes, the SE and EII models set a pretty good standard (to put it mildly) but why not just make a damn fine product, which we know ZR is capable of, and see what happens?It's the common lament that there are no good, modern porros available, I've said it myself a number of times. It seems THAT's the niche that need's filling. Not to  try and redesign an already well established and successful line. Which is what it sounds like we're trying to do here. While it is commendable that ZR is very closely tied w/ their fan base, I'd personally put a little distance between the customer and the design process. (The old "Too many cooks" scenario). Using suggestions and models as a general guideline instead of requirements. But that's just me...p.s. Not looking to change everyone's mind (roof to porro) Just trying to give porro people something to chew on.</blockquote>