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Canon 60D (1 Viewer)
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Geoff Brown
Well-known member
Same price at Park cameras - for body only.
Kevin Conville
yardbirder
BFD.
What a let down. No micro focus adjust? NO MICRO FOCUS ADJUST?!
I recently proved to myself what a valuable (necessary) function MFA is and Canon dumbed down the 60D from the 50D and deleted it. I'm dumbfounded.
Canon has lost their way. When a company starts going backward with subsequent models....
They've made other faux pas lately, but this one's a duesy.
What a let down. No micro focus adjust? NO MICRO FOCUS ADJUST?!
I recently proved to myself what a valuable (necessary) function MFA is and Canon dumbed down the 60D from the 50D and deleted it. I'm dumbfounded.
Canon has lost their way. When a company starts going backward with subsequent models....
They've made other faux pas lately, but this one's a duesy.
paul goode
Well-known member
Or maybe Canon have got fed up of having cameras and lenses returned because people have micro adjusted them using focus targets at any old angle, in virtual darkness with shutter speeds of a decade or so handheld and when they can't get the result they want decide its the equipment to blame
I'm not for one moment getting at you but look on any photography forum and it won't take long to find an image like that described above
Kevin Conville
yardbirder
Or maybe Canon have got fed up of having cameras and lenses returned because people have micro adjusted them using focus targets at any old angle, in virtual darkness with shutter speeds of a decade or so handheld and when they can't get the result they want decide its the equipment to blame
I'm not for one moment getting at you but look on any photography forum and it won't take long to find an image like that described above
Also, on those same forums, you'll see lots of people who can't get their (primarily mid zoom telephotos and long telephotos) lenses to accurately focus and are sending them in to Canon to have them calibrated to their body. You think Canon is enjoying that monkey-motion?
I experienced this when I bought my EF400 f5.6 and I calibrated my XT body (mirror adjust) to properly focus it. Problem NOW is it doesn't properly focus my EF70-200 f4. The mirror trick works for one lens only. I borrowed my neighbor's 50D and calibrated the two above mentioned lenses using that camera's MFA and they both function perfectly, on THAT camera.
This is a Canon issue. And CANON isn't offering us the logical solution. It sucks, period. Not everyone is happy to buy the much larger, more expensive 7D to resolve this issue and some of us don't need the hot-rod features but rather want the emphasis to be on image quality. I feel like we're being held hostage by Canon. I don't appreciate it.
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By that reasoning you mention Paul, do you expect the successors to the 7D and 1 series cameras to have MFA removed? There are plenty of people who can't find their ass with two hands, that have more money than sense, and believe equipment makes one a photographer. This is offered as a counter to the so-called "pro user".
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paul goode
Well-known member
As an aside, I wonder what % of owners who have a micro adjust facility use it. I'll guess its very, very low.
paul goode
Well-known member
I wouldn't be surprised if it disappeared. Most of the pro togs I know don't use it
Kevin Conville
yardbirder
Probably. I only discovered I needed it after buying the 400 f5.6.
The longer and higher quality the lens, the shallower the depth of field and the more likely one is to use the lens wide open.
These are the very things that exacerbate the problem.
Those who primarily use wide to short zooms may never encounter the issue.
Adam W
Well-known member
I have a 50D and i didint even know it had this feature.
RyanEustace
Ecology Student
I hope this drops the price of the 50D , the way i see it , the 50D was an improvement on the 40D Of varying sizes depending on who got it , and the prices arn't miles apart , for the 60D to warrant a price tag of £1100 there needs to be a distinct improvement on the 50D and i don't see it , the movable screen is a quirky feature which may be usefull about 1% of the cameras life , they have the same processor , the 60d shoots less fps , and the body is plastic where as the 50D is magnesium , its a no brainer really...
RyanEustace
Ecology Student
P.s. a few people complained about the 50D producing more 'noisy' images than the 40D , personally i never saw it , but if the 60D has the same sensor but has 18mp then surely its going to create even more noise?
Kevin Conville
yardbirder
Upon further reflection, I don't think it is probably "very very low" as you say.
Canon's forte are their long lenses, not their wide. When you consider all the expensive L glass from 200mm on, and how people will naturally want them to perform as best they can...., well. There certainly are plenty sounding off about the the missing MFA and not many (any?) citing it's insignificance.
I'd take that bet B
Pro photographers, in my neck of the woods, are wedding and event photographers. Some portrait and family stuff thrown in. 200mm is a LONG lens for these guys, rarely used.
Tectortony
Well-known member
I was somewhat disapointed with my 100-400 lens until I micro adjusted it on my 50D its a totally different lens now -- a real cracker.
Tony.
Tony.
Roy C
Occasional bird snapper
You could be right Paul,I spent several hours testing my 300/2.8 for MA with a 1.4tc, a 2x tc and the bare lens and guess what, they all were best at +/- 0
Pigeon_Pete
Well-known member
I have a 50D and 100-400mm, is it easy to micro adjust Tony? How would I know if it needs done?
thanks
Chas
Stephen Fletcher
Yes, i did take the photo of the Eagle
I have a fair selection of Canon bodies and lenses, from 20D up to 1DS, and lenses from 15mm to 800mm, and have never yet micro adjusted anything, nor found the need to, and all my images are perfectly sharp, and proved in focus by testing in a proper optics laboratory with collimators etc. The majority of poor images can be attributed to poor technique, but you never hear of anyone admitting it, after all, everyone with an slr is an expert, surely ?
Ive been a Canon user for 48 years now, and never had a problem with anything ive owned, i think most of the problems people have are self induced through bad technique and lack of knowledge, the old saying RTFM rings very true in the majority of cases, but how many do ?
Having said all that, the new 60D looks like a tarted up 550D to me, and i dont think many will be paying 1100 for it when you can get a far superior 7D for 100 more.
Ive been a Canon user for 48 years now, and never had a problem with anything ive owned, i think most of the problems people have are self induced through bad technique and lack of knowledge, the old saying RTFM rings very true in the majority of cases, but how many do ?
Having said all that, the new 60D looks like a tarted up 550D to me, and i dont think many will be paying 1100 for it when you can get a far superior 7D for 100 more.